Feds Raid & Steal Liberty Dollar Assets

[Mauser 98K]

Feds Raid & Steal Liberty Dollar Assets
11-15-2007
Liberty Dollar

http://www.roguegovernment.com/news.php?id=4988


Below is a letter sent out from Bernard von NotHaus the creator of the Liberty Dollar a private currency backed by silver bullion. Apparently, the Feds have raided and stolen his assets. This is unlawful, and shows the continued criminality of the U.S. government and the private Federal Reserve system. Apparently its OK to print money that has no value and not backed by anything, but when somebody prints honest money backed by silver, its a crime. That's absolute crap. The U.S. government should apologize to the Liberty Dollar people and return their assets immediately.

Dear Liberty Dollar Supporters:

I sincerely regret to inform you that about 8 this morning a dozen FBI and Secret Service agents raided the Liberty Dollar office in Evansville, Indiana.

For approximately six hours they took all the gold, all the silver, all the platinum, and almost two tons of Ron Paul Dollars that were just delivered last Friday. They also took all the files and computers and froze our bank accounts.

We have no money. We have no products. We have no records to even know what was ordered or what you are owed. We have nothing but the will to push forward and overcome this massive assault on our liberty and our right to have real money as defined by the U.S. Constitution.

We should not be defrauded by the fake government money.

But to make matters worse, all the gold and silver that backs up the paper certificates and digital currency held in the vault at Sunshine Mint has also been confiscated. Even the dies for minting the gold and silver Libertys have been taken.

All this has happened even though Edmond C. Moy, the director of the U.S. Mint, acknowledged in a letter to a U.S. senator that the paper certificates did not violate Section 486 and were not illegal.

But the FBI and Secret Service took all the paper currency too.

The possibility of such action was the reason the Liberty Dollar was designed -- so that the vast majority of the money was in specie form and in the people's hands. Of the $20 million Liberty Dollars, only about a million is in paper or digital form.

I regret that if you are due an order, it may be some time until it will be filled, if ever. It now all depends on our actions.

Everyone who has an unfulfilled order or has digital or paper currency should band together for a class-action suit and demand redemption. We cannot allow the government to steal our money.

Please don't let this happen.

Many of you read the articles quoting the government and Federal Reserve officials saying the Liberty Dollar was legal. You did nothing wrong. You are legally entitled to your property. Let us use this terrible act to band together and further our goal -- to return America to a value-based currency.

Please forward this important alert so everyone who possesses or uses the Liberty Dollar is aware of the situation.

Please go here to sign up for the class action lawsuit and get your property back:

http://www.libertydollar.org/classaction/index.php

Thanks again for your support at this darkest time as the damn government and its dollar sinks to a new low.

Bernard von NotHaus, Monetary Architect
Liberty Dollar
Evansville, Indiana

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yall know what the liberty doller is dont ya? it is the silver, or gold coins that have been in circulation for years
they are worth their face value and have been accepted by buisness for years, they arnt illeagle for if they were they
would have been confiscated years ago.

the thing we belive to have issued thm to raid this place was is that this company was also doing ron paul dollars and other donatioal
work for ron paul who on the november 5th raised 4.2 million in 20 hours on Guy Fawkes day who was portrayed in the movie
V for Vendeta and a seperate fund raising event is planned on the day of the boston tea party where colonist threw tea
in to the boston harbor as a protest for all of the taxes imposed upon the colonist.


the Liberty Dollars are minted by a privatly owned company just like the Federal Reserve Note that most know as the dollar, the
Federal Reserve Note is minted by the Federal Reserve Bank witch is not owned by the government but is a seperate
privatly owned company whose shareholders include senators and congressman who stand to lose money if people switch from
the Federal Reserve Note, witch was probably another reason for the grab.

only diffrence between the liberty dollar and the Federal Reserve Note is that the Federal Reserve Note is
nolonger backed up by silver and gold and the liberty doller is worth its face value, anyway it was an illeagle
seisure to take all of this property that belonged to the makers of the liberty dollar.

having in mind that the falling dollar and a few other things that might have contributed to this grab by the federalised
police force, remember the liberty doller is worth its face value and that the Federal Reserve note has been droping sence back
in the 30s and 40s where they decided to stop backing up the Federal Reserve Note with gold and silver witch means it is no longer'
worth its face value, it is now what is called fiat currency, it is only worth what they say it is worth at the point of a gun.

the Federal Reserve Bank isnt even part of the US government so the FBI has no real Athority in this that is why the Federal
Reserve has their own policing force that looks into couterfiting and such, the thing is that the FBI was directly involved
in this attack on this privatly owned company where millions of dollars of gold, silver and other materials were taken.

can any1 remember the gold and silver grabs of the 40s and 50s? it happened about the time they stoped backing up the federal reserve
note or FRN with gold and silver, it was a period where ya was supposed to get the green FRN and stop using the gold and silver coin,
that is 1 reason gold and silver coin minted by the Federal Reserve are so hard to come by these days, it is because all of the coin
that was used was sent to the Federal Reserve and replaced by the fiat money.

and the falling of the FRN (Federal Reserve Note) is not a coincidence, it has been planned since back in the 40s, they have to get rid of
anything worth its face value so when the kill off the dollar the food, water and building supplies can be controlled, dont think thst is what
it is, look at the classified in the paper and tell me how many articles ya can find where farmers are going out of buisness.

the farming industry that used to have our food reserves at over 3 months has been reduced to no more than a memory and out food reserves
are now non existent, and thu Nafta treaty we are now importing cheaper sources of food from diffent countries and putting more and more
pressure on the farmers who are going out of buisness right and left and b4 it is over with we will be getting all of our products from other
countries and when the FRN bites the dust what do ya think is going to happen? remember back during the great depression most people still
lived on farms and the country still had food, now 90% of america lives in the city or in subdivisions and hav no clue as how to farm, see
what im getting at?

he who controll the food controlles the people, and have ya knoticed how hard the government is training for martial law?
remember TOPOFF4 and VS08 that were just held? they were esercises to prepair for martial law and during an event where the FRN
kills over being most people havnt a clue as how to farm, many will start to starve after the grocery stores shelves are bare
that is where FEMA comes into play, for as people start to starve for our curency that we use to buy food from other countries is worthless
and they stop accepting it we wont be able to import food witch creats a food emergency whose manager will be the Federal Emergency Management
Agency.

see that? Federal ( EMERGENY MANAGEMENT) Agency, whose sole job is to manage emergencys and ya have all of these other agencys that when
the crap hits the fan it will be like during hurricane katrina, remember what FEMA agents and local law and the national guard did during
katrina? went house to house, door to door, relocating people and taking guns from those who had them and used them to protect themselves
from the looters.

remember what i said a while back that the military cannot be used aganst civilians inside of the US without written permission from the
president of the US himself, i have found no such order to overide Posse Comatatus.


and the plan is to create an emergency and thru FEMA and DHS manage them and declair martial law during a national emergency.

that is 1 reason behind some of the things going on, like the falling dollar witch has been planed and them not wanting to close the borders,
when the dollar falls they will try to implement a new currency called the AMERO witch will be accepted all thruout the NAU or North American Union
witch will include Mexico, Canada, and the US and the borders are non existant during the NAU, that is the reason for the constant exercising for
martial law, it isnt because of terrorism or some1 might detonate a bomb, that can be prevented, like i said they could close the borders if
they really wanted to but like i said in their plans for the NAU there are no borders, and during a national emergency like a food shortage
they will declair martial law and that suspends the constitution, the borders are reliant upon the constitution and without the constitution
the borders are automaticly under martial law and then they can merge the US, Mexico< and Canada into the NAU and FEMA the FBI and the other
alphabet soup groups will be merged into the Federal Policing force controlled by the UN and the newly formed dictatorship that used to be called the presidency.

remember the post i did a while back that showed some of the bills Bush signed into effect that states that during an emergency event, no matter
what the emergency, the president would directly controll FEMA and the DHS and overide congress all together.

that is why the attacks on anything thet is worth its face value, if you have something of face value, like gold coin, you can still buy what you need
and are still self dependent and to controll the populis they just cant have that.

so in the case of an emergency they will have acheived many goals,remember these people we are dealing with have plans within plans within plans and the dollar killing over creats a big food shortage witch causes panic witch creates an emergency witch gives them an excuse to declair martial law witch voids the constitution so there is no freedom to keep and bear arms and it drops the borders and allows them to merge the US Canada and Mexico into the NAU
controlled by the New World Order that consists of the UN and the newly formed position of dictator tht used to be the presidency, oh my, what a tangled web we weave.

and when the dollar dies also means we cant import oil and the government will seize the oil wells we have her witch also creates a fuel emergency and the fuel will be controlled along with the food and water and being ya wont be able to atain fuel easily it will get america out of their cars and make them walk meaning they cant just pack up and move out of country or away from the people doing these things.

[Hellfighter]

gee over broad again

outside the box thinking again.,

there no then to say they really taken it

feds always have paperwork to do things like this for a reason, were the paperwork to say they even did this? act


sorry the Feds are not land pirates, you only have one point of view and seem crappy again.

they enforce the law if there was something going on it would have been on the news or something.

court paperwork given them the green light to do this? don't see any.

sounds more like junk to me.

oh i tire of hearing things coming from: roguegovernment.com

seem more fishy everything come from them. i bet they don't even have a real address to thier office at all some PO box drop off point. bet some fool from some one home come and pick up all the mail and go home do all the things from their home totally.

they seem more like a roguegovernment.com news site untrusted type thing were they post anything up get people to bite like you and others.

[Mauser 98K]

feds arnt land pirates, lol, where you been living, in a bubble? what do you think imminent domain is, what do you think happens if you dont pay the tax to king george for the rent on your land, they take it, what do you think happens when the city wants to build a new building and you dont want to sell, they condemnt it and take it, feds arnt pirates, i see diffrently.
oh and did you know if the pull you over and you have so much cash on you person they can take it and dont have to give it back?


and to the if they did something it would been on the news, how many times have i said that the local media like CNN is in bed with these assholes and will not put anything out that makes them look bad?

i have said it time and time again, they will not tell you if they did something wrong or illeagle.

ill post some links that show what im saying.

ok, link1, rouge government.
http://www.roguegovernment.com/news.php?id=4988

link2 blacklisted news.
http://www.blacklistednews.com/view.asp?ID=4788

link3,courierpress
http://www.courierpress.com/news/200...office-raided/

link4,muckrakerreport
http://muckrakerreport.com/id550.html

link5, the AP wire.
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5j...run3AD8SUSGC80

link6,liberty dollar.org
http://www.libertydollar.org/ld/legal/raid.htm


do i really need to go on?

what news site is crap and makebelive ? why do you think i dont watch the news on tv ecept for the weather, it is because they only tell you what they think you need to hear and what has been aproved by the idiots in power, i dont know about you but im no mushroom, i dont like to be kept in the dark and fed **** by the minitruth (Ministry of truth).

the only thing make belive is the belief that the government is here for the people, they would never do anything wrong, they are here to help us, those are the ones who will be left without anything and wondering what the hell happened when the house of cards crashes down.

in truth the government can and will do something wrong and want to take what you have and keep you dependant on them.

[Hellfighter]

*EVANSVILLE, Ind. (AP) — Federal agents raided the headquarters of a group that produces illegal currency and puts it in circulation, seizing gold, silver and two tons of copper coins featuring Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul.

[other word they close them down totally, they will have their day in the Federal court soon]

*The U.S. Mint issued a warning this year that the Liberty Dollar violated the Constitution and warned consumers against using them unsuspectingly.

Paul's campaign said it had not authorized production of the Ron Paul dollars.

two tons of copper coins featuring Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul.

"We were aware they existed, but we didn't have any affiliation with them," said Jesse Benton, a spokesman for Ron Paul's campaign. "He didn't ask our permission to make them."

Source: http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5j...run3AD8SUSGC80

you ask me the FED were in the right i can only hope the bust them again for making up fake money up.

by all rights Ron Paul is in the right to sue the liven hell out of Liberty Dollar group! for use of his image on them copper coins. its a copy right thing for his image on them they use without his ok.

i bet they Ron Paul campaign or Ron Paul report them to the Feds to get a handle on this and put a stop to them!

[Mauser 98K]

traveler ? ? ?


the only currency i see that violates anything is this fake green crap that has no real value outside of what the cooperation sys it is worth.

what they dont tell you is that the liberty dollar that they also took was not illeagle, had it been illeagle they would have confiscated it back in 1998 when they started minting it and it begain to circulate, ya see they knew about this for 9 years and did nothing, and the fact that th liberty dollar is just a copy of the old coins and isnt a real currency but a collector coin that can be sold at its face value for cash , it just seams funny to me that they raid it now.


The U.S. Mint issued a warning this year that the Liberty Dollar violated the Constitution and warned consumers against using them unsuspectingly.

gold and silver dollars are not aganst the constitution, what do they think the silver dollar was? what was quarters and dimes and such b4 they started using copper and nickle? they was silver, at the time the dollar was silver it took 1.25$ of silver to make and it was worth its weight in silver and backed up by presious metals, the same with the paper dollar they had b4 the FRN it was backed up by silver and gold.

the liberty dollar is leagle because it is backed up by gold, it might not be useable as curency but like i said thsat isnt what it is, it is a collectors piece that can be sold at face value for whatever is used as currency.

and the ron paul coins were a comemorative piece for advertising him for president not as a currency, they were like the liberty dollar, a collectable piece that could be sold at face value for cash.


but like i said b4, THE FEDERAL RESERVE BANK IS NOT PART OF THE US GOVERNMENT, and the us mint prints the company script for the federal reserve, so who is the government to say that these are illeagle when the FRN we use now is printed by a member company that is privatly owned and a member of the international bankers association and not even part of the US government?

am i the only 1 who gets this?

and here is a link to the constitution, tell me where it says this gold coins are illeagle and goes aganst the constitution, ill be damed if i can find it.

http://boortz.com/more/us_constitution.html

[teej]

wow there is so much text in this thread.

[Hellfighter]

yea yea what every they will have to go to court ether way and maybe serve time in Jail as will.

i can really careless for this b/sif

you think you can break the law and not get away with it? you only fool your self. in the end there is a price to pay even if it a court day you still have to pay

[Mauser 98K]

they didnt break the law, tell me what they did to break the law, i want to see what part was illeagle that warented the feds to steal their property.

i done showed that your favorite news CNN (Communist News Network) didnt show what you said they would have showed if something happened, well something happened and they didnt show it.

i posted a link to the constitution and pointed out that there isnt anything in the constitution that says these coins are illeagle and pointed out if theywere illeagle why didnt they take them in 1998 when they 1st came out?

i done pointed out that they arnt curency but a piece that can be sold for what is used as currency just like anything else.

yes there are some buisnesses that accept them as payment, but shouldnt it be up to the owner of the buisness as to what he or she accepts as payment? like should we arrest every1 who does a service and accepts an item as payment instead if the FRN, its called bartering, and it is as old as america itself, the person needs something done and they have something i want and they dont really want it anymore and i am willing to do the job for the item, i have done that many of times, should i be arested?

i have done everything short of calculus instructions to put it as plain as i can, and if ya cant see that the wonderful government isnt as nice and honest as you might think then it isnt my problem, im not wasting my time on a brickwall, there aree others out there thatare willing to learn and wasting my time takes away from what i can teach them, soo, good day.

[Hellfighter]

they must have broken the law other wise the raid would never happen gee.

there had to be some junky judge out there to sign paper work to ok the Raid

wait till the court date to come!! you find out more about it, and stop jumping up and down will not make it happen any faster ether.

pffff

[Mauser 98K]

lol, ya really think they need you to break the law b4 they invade your life, like i said where you been?

what did those in louisiana who had their weapon leagly, purchaced them leagly who was detained and their guns were stolen, if i have to ill post the video again, and what did the students in that school do to get detained while police and teachers went thru their backpacks? what did the dividians do to get murdered, what did randy weaver do for his wife and kid to get shot by the FBI.

the only reason for them to do anything is for you to exist because to them you are property of the state.

but hey, keep living in that little world where nothing bad ever happens to the innocent and big brother is there to help you, not gona be my problem when they take what you have and give to the havenots, just remember dont come knocking on my door wanting what i have.

and ill jump and jump and howel at the moon if i want, its called free speach, and im not just postingthis crap to hear myself type, it is to hopefuly inform the people here that i have come to know and respect..

[Hellfighter]

i try to reason with you!! but there no end to your cooky ways of thinking.

man go out enjoy life before you die by a deer that ran into you with its horns that were all sharping up by the feds for your DOA scam.

some times i thinking i'm talking to a 9yrs old kids. get out of the house go hunting or something other then kicking your rearend into the dirt over news crap

[Mauser 98K]

whos got the cooky ways of thinking, how much proof is required for you? i dont know what is wrong with some people who cant see the forest for all the trees.

but this is normal for some who cant get their way and cant downplay what is being said, cant get their way so they call the person crazy or cooky, or just insane, i mean who is nuts or cooky? is it the person who puts the proof out or the person that no matter how much is put in front of them cant see it for themselves.

but i wasnt shure b4 but i am now, i figure your ither a traveler, a provocatuer, or a plant, every forum has 1 put in by the other team to downplay what is being said and waste the other persons time and try to make them look nuts, even those the proof is right in front of them staring them right in the face they try to defend the feds right to inflict terror.

im done and moving on to the next topic.