in violation of unlawful searches and seizures? you decide.

[Mauser 98K]

Police State Rules in NJ High Schools
by Jack Duggan

http://www.lewrockwell.com/duggan/duggan12.html


On the morning of Friday, October 12, 2007, Steinert High School in Hamilton Township, New Jersey, was flooded by police with five drug-sniffing dogs accompanied by a prosecutor and school officials. The whole student body was arrested by being detained in various classrooms and forced to wait while the search of their lockers verified that each student was innocent of drug possession. Every locker got searched. And every student was under technical arrest until cleared of drug possession, approaching unlawful imprisonment.

The school sent us a letter home with our son saying it was a "...pre-planned search of student lockers using trained narcotics detections dogs." It continued, "As per our ongoing protocol of ensuring a safe and orderly drug-free environment...this search was a component of our program to deter illegal activity." There was no reasonable suspicion of any drug activity. It seems that this search was itself an illegal activity because it was a warrantless dragnet, pure and simple.

This incident is proof to parents that the government has little common sense when it comes to our children. They teach about human rights, the U.S. Constitution and tolerance, but do not practice what they preach.

Many of the kids are saying that Steinert H.S. teachers, counselors and principal are not about education, just prosecution of the 'War on Drugs.' There are over 1,625 students and guess what percentage of them were discovered to have had drugs or marijuana in their lockers? Zero. Nada, as in not one. For this, the Hamilton Township police and school administration alienated the trust of all 1,625 students, many of whom now feel that students are automatically guilty until proven otherwise. The kids know that they would never do the same thing to their teachers' lockers, nor publicly owned offices of the U.S. Congress, the White House and all federal agencies to weed out all those who seem to be definitely on drugs.

The Hamilton School District and Police Department stand on the point that the students' lockers are public property and thus subject to search at any time. However, how far can a police agency go into warrantless searches of over a thousand people's effects without probable cause? Why must students have no expectation of privacy of their personal effects when given no choice but to use school lockers for their burdensome books, note pads, lunches, clothing and other paraphernalia? And why are other public employees storage spaces not routinely searched while teachers, office clerks and even Congressional representatives are held under lock down?

===========================================
this shure sounds like a direct violation of the 4th amendment.

Amendment IV

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.


remember there wasnt a warrant, theywere unlawfuly detained and privacy violated by the school and police.

[Hellfighter]

i never heard any one searching Pres Bush? when he farted soo badly and the whole white house Staff were lay out cold? did any one talk about that? i heard they search their body's as they were laying on the floor of the white house at that time! FBI did the body search, love doing specially no one see them doing it, you know that new law anti-terrorist act.

knowing Mike he may know more about this fart act of Pres Bush then any other person! do to he watch the news and get live feed all the time lol

[teej]

(I onlly read about the first paragraph)

I think searching your locker is not a violation since it is not your property, you are only using it. Now arresting them and keeping them held I do not agree with. And If they search their personal items like perses and wallets, then yes, I think that is a violation.

[IcIshoot]

Originally posted by teej
(I onlly read about the first paragraph)

I think searching your locker is not a violation since it is not your property, you are only using it. Now arresting them and keeping them held I do not agree with. And If they search their personal items like perses and wallets, then yes, I think that is a violation.

My thoughts exactly.


I personally do not expect any privacy in any public place - so if I was in public school I wouldn't be suprised to see my locker searched (thankfully I never was - was homeschooled )


The job site I work at (art museum) used to search launch boxes, tool boxes and purses when ever you came or left (well search is a loose term - just had to open it up and let them look in).

[Mauser 98K]

well the lockers arnt your property but what is in them is, like if i go and you car is on the public road and i go thru it and drive it and such aganst your will, how would that make you feel? and i drove it and messed with it without your consent,that would get me arested being it isnt mine with the charge of breaking and entering and stealing or such, same thing here except it was the bookbags and other things that belonged to the students.

oh, have ya watched the 5:00 news, i was the other day and i heard the new interpretation of the law reguarding you and your cars, they flat out said that being it is in a public place or your on the road witch belongs to the public you are subject to search without reason and such.

they can now literaly drag you out of your car and cuff you and go thru your stuff without your consent, sound familuar? USSR with the KGB , your papers please and your ass belongs to the state so you have no rights unless we say you do.



i mean where does every1 thing these communist that were in the USSR and such went when it desolved? they didnt just vanish into thin air, they are still here and some are in our government now implementing the same stuff that was around during the USSR.

any1 ever read the red menace? some of it is in there.

[Hellfighter]

will all so they would charge the owner of the car for holding till they come down and get it out of holding area (car lot) $$$$ even if they were the victim of this.

[Mauser 98K]

yup that right, charge from the impound lot and such.