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07-22-2005, 06:24 AM
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Shooting in London
http://news.bbc.co.uk/
A man suspected to be a terrorrist has been shot dead by police in London!!!! Regards 
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07-22-2005, 06:32 AM
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07-22-2005, 08:29 PM
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If a police officer tells you to do something, you do it.
If a armed police officer tells you to do something, you do it very slowly and very carefully. If you are stupid enough to ignore a armed police officer, you shouldn't be surprised if you get shot. It is called "Natural Selection", the culling of the clinically dumb. 
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07-22-2005, 08:43 PM
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 But I agree with the earlier post I hope this was one of the right guys too, It will open a new can of worms if he was innocent. But they were supposed to have the guy under suvalance(oh I know its spelt wrong...lol Sue my english teacher..  ) So I guess they have one of the right guys.
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07-23-2005, 02:30 PM
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07-23-2005, 06:04 PM
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Well What A BIG Mistake they made....
 My Prayes go out to this poor guys family. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4711021.stm
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07-23-2005, 06:45 PM
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Brazil's government 'shocked' that British police killed Brazilian citizen
Sat Jul 23 2005 17:41:17 ET The Brazilian government said Saturday that it "was shocked and perplexed" to find out that London police mistakenly shot to death a Brazilian citizen, the Foreign Ministry said in a statement. "The government expects the British authorities to explain the circumstances that led to this tragedy," the statement said, without citing the citizen's name or giving any other information about the incident. London authorities said 27-year-old Jean Charles de Menezes was killed Friday at the Stockwell subway station as police investigated the series of botched transit bombings a day earlier and the attacks of July 7 that killed 56 people, including the four bombers. Developing... I can't name source yet.
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07-23-2005, 06:53 PM
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I thought maybe you would like to read this article also.
July 24, 2005 Britian Says Man Killed by Police Had No Tie to Bombings By ALAN COWELL LONDON, July 23 - Scotland Yard admitted Saturday that a man police officers chased and shot to death at point-blank range in front of horrified subway passengers on Friday had nothing to do with the investigation into the bombing attacks here. Senior investigators and officials of the Metropolitan Police said the man was believed to be South American; it was not known whether he was Muslim. No explosives or weapons were found on the man's body after the shooting, police officials said. The incident sent shock waves through the country's 1.6 million Muslims, already alarmed by a publicly acknowledged shoot-to-kill policy directed against suspected suicide bombers. And it has dealt a major setback to the police investigation into suspected terrorist cells in London. "This really is an appalling set of circumstances," said John O'Connor, a former police commander. "The consequences are quite horrible." Azzam Tamimi, head of the Muslim Association of Britain, said: "This is very frightening. People will be afraid to walk the streets, or go on the tube, or carry anything in their hands." The admission by the police that it had killed a man not involved in the investigation revived and fueled an already tense debate over the arming of British police officers. It also came after a series of police misstatements since July 7, when four bombing attacks on three subway trains and a double-decker bus in London killed 56 people, including the four suicide bombers, and injured hundreds of others. On Thursday, four more attackers attempted to bomb three other subway trains and a bus, but their bombs failed to explode. On Friday, plainclothes police officers staking out an apartment followed a man who emerged from it, then chased him into the Stockwell subway station and onto a train. The man tripped and the police officers in pursuit fired five rounds at point-blank range. After the shooting, Sir Ian Blair, the commissioner of the Metropolitan Police, said, "The information I have available is that this shooting is directly linked to the ongoing and expanding anti-terrorist operation." The police then issued images taken from closed circuit television cameras of four men suspected of carrying out the failed attacks on Thursday and said that, while the man they shot may not have been one of the men in the photographs, he was still being sought as part of their investigation. "The man shot at Stockwell station is still subject to formal identification and it is not yet clear whether he is one of the four people we are seeking to identify and whose pictures have been released today," a statement said Friday. "Nevertheless the man who was shot was under police observation because he had emerged from a house that was itself under observation because it was linked to the investigation of yesterday's incidents." the Friday statement said. "He was then followed by surveillance officers to the station. His clothing and his behavior at the station added to their suspicions," the statement added, apparently referring to reports that the man was wearing bulky jacket on a summer day. Throughout Saturday, the police refused to give any further details. Then, in the late afternoon, Scotland Yard issued a statement contradicting the earlier police comments. "We believe we know the identity of the man shot at Stockwell Underground station by police, although he is still subject to formal identification," the new statement said. "We are now satisfied that he was not connected with the incidents of Thursday, 21st July." The statement repeated that the man had been seen emerging from an apartment house under police surveillance and had been followed by officers. "For somebody to lose their life in such circumstances is a tragedy and one that the Metropolitan Police Service regrets," the statement said. It said the police had started a formal inquiry. So far in the investigation, the police have detained two suspects. It was not clear whether those men were among the four caught on security cameras. Laudemar Aguyar, press officer for the Brazilian Embassy in London, said Saturday night that he had been in touch with Scotland Yard about the slain man's identity after receiving "a large number of inquiries" from reporters, both in the British and the Brazilian press. Asked if Prime Minister Tony Blair would address the issue, a spokeswoman at 10 Downing Street who spoke under civil service anonymity rules said Mr. Blair was "kept updated on all developments, but this is a matter for the Metropolitan Police. We have nothing to add." Prime Minister Blair was spending the weekend at his country residence, Chequers. But with the nation tense and jittery after the repeat attacks and the shooting itself, Mr. Blair was expected to confront political passions likely to be inflamed by what his critics are depicting as excesses of a war on terrorism. "This policy is another overreaction of the government and police," said Ajmal Masroor, a spokesman for the Islamic Society of Britain. Adding to the tensions, both the government and the police have sought the support of British Muslims to assist in the inquiry. "This will turn people against the police, and this is not good," said Mr. Tamimi, of the Muslim Association. "We want that people stay beside the police. We need to convince the people to cooperate, but for this, the police have to come out with clear information and new plans." Civil rights groups also seemed likely to demand new curbs on the police at precisely the moment officers have been given far more of a free hand to pursue the investigation into the bombings. "No one should rush to judgment in any case of this kind, especially at a time of heightened tension," said Shami Chakrabarti, director of Liberty, a civil and human rights group, calling for a "comprehensive and independent investigation" into the events. She acknowledged, however, that officers faced "knife-edged, split-second decisions often made in times of great danger." The Friday shooting itself was all the more shocking because it happened in full view of passengers aboard a stationary subway train at Stockwell station. Mark Whitby, a witness, said three men pursued another man into the car, and one man with a handgun fired five times. In a country used to unarmed police officers, the shooting seemed to be a stark turning point - one that seemed even more portentous after the police admission on Saturday. The killing revived a never-resolved debate among the public and the police over the arming of officers. In one recent case, officers faced trial after shooting a man carrying a wooden table leg in the mistaken belief that he was armed. Some police officers authorized to carry weapons now say they prefer not to because of the risk of prosecution if they make mistakes. Normally British police officers are under orders to give ample warming and, if they have no choice but to open fire, to aim to wound. However, according to London's mayor, Ken Livingstone, that has given way to a shoot-to-kill policy in some circumstances. "If you are dealing with someone who might be a suicide bomber, if they remain conscious they could trigger plastic explosives or whatever device is on them. And therefore overwhelmingly in these circumstances it is going to be a shoot-to-kill policy," he said after the shooting Friday, but before the acknowledgement by the police that the dead man was not part of the investigation. Police guidelines for dealing with suspected suicide bombers recommend shooting at the head rather than the body in case the suspect is carrying explosives. Except in Northern Ireland, at airports and nuclear facilities, British police officers are not routinely armed. A small percentage of officers - roughly 7 percent in London - have weapons training, which is also required for the use of Taser stun guns, available to nearly all police forces. As routine weapons, officers carry a baton and a tear-gas-like spray. Of more than 30,000 officers in London, around 2,000 are authorized to carry weapons, a Scotland Yard spokesman said, speaking anonymously under police rules. Even before Saturday's police statement, Britons had been bracing to see how their vaunted sense of fair play and civil rights survives the onslaught by attackers and the measures to combat it. "Many civil liberties will have to be infringed to impose the requirement on all communities, including Britain's Muslims, to destroy the terrorists before they destroy us," the author Tom Bower wrote in The Daily Mail on Saturday. The country's Muslim minority has expressed vulnerability to a backlash since it was announced that the July 7 bombers were all Muslims, three of them British-born descendants of Pakistani immigrants in the northern city of Leeds. Groups linked to Al Qaeda have claimed responsibility for both sets of attacks. The Islamic Human Rights Commission said it feared that "innocent people may lose their lives due to the new shoot-to-kill policy of the Metropolitan Police." Sir Iqbal Sacranie, head of the Muslim Council of Britain, said: "While we accept that the police are under tremendous pressure to apprehend the criminals who are attempting to cause carnage on the streets of London, it is absolutely vital that utmost care is taken to ensure that innocent people are not killed due to overzealousness." A survey taken among British Muslims in The Daily Telegraph before the police statement on Saturday found that 6 percent thought the July 7 attacks were justified, while 24 percent sympathized with the motives of the bombers. The rash of attacks, incidents, alarms and arrests has rocked a city that, even during the days of I.R.A. attacks was used to being warned in advance about bombings. Indeed, after several years of an I.R.A. truce in mainland Britain, the howl of police sirens, the popping of gunfire and the thud of explosives has ended a mood of complacency underpinned by Britain's relative prosperity. Just three weeks ago, London's Hyde Park filled with 200,000 people for the celebrity-studded concert "Live 8" concert in support of Africa's poor. And the city's spirits soared when London won the contest to host the 2012 Olympic games. Now, after the bombings on July 7, the attempts on July 21, and the shooting incident, the city seems far less sure of itself. "The realization that the events of July 7 were not an isolated conspiracy has changed the way that we travel on the city's public transport system, probably forever," Damian Whitworth wrote in The Times of London, recounting how "suspicion, fear and panic spread like a virus" through the subways. In The Guardian, Ros Coward wrote, "Yesterday's event was another in a series that is transforming Londoners' familiar home patches into alien, unfamiliar territory." "There seems to be a state of denial about the pervasive sense of fear that exists in London at the moment," The Independent said. At the same time, British authorities are facing unusually frank criticism from officials and leaders of some Muslim states about their tolerance of radical Islamist clerics and others on their soil. Prince Turki al-Faisal, the Saudi ambassador, said in a radio interview on Friday that it was a "true criticism" to say Britain had offered sanctuary too easily. "Allowing them to go on using the hospitality and the generosity of the British people to emanate from here such calls for killing and such I think is wrong." President Pervez Musharraf of Pakistan also noted that some Islamis groups banned in Pakistan "operate with impunity" in Britain. Don Van Natta Jr., Stephen Grey, Souad Mekhennet and Hélène Fouquet reported from London for this article, and William K. Rashbaum from New York. [Source]
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07-23-2005, 08:53 PM
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People keep saying about why didnt he stop, But Like I said above if 3 guys were coming upto me holding a gun telling me to stop and put my hands over my head or whatever they said, I would not listen either I would run. Since when has it been a crime to wear cirtain clothes? Just because this guy left a block of flats that the undercover police were watching isnt a crime either, Also why shoot a guy 5 times at close range? (According to Eye witnesses.) I think they have made a bad misstake and it will bring more trouble....
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07-23-2005, 09:23 PM
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I want to know, if they showed badges or said hault, this is the Police!
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07-24-2005, 06:57 AM
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07-24-2005, 07:18 AM
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It's a hell of a call to make I mean what do you do????
Hope the guy is not armed or carrying a bomb???? Hold back and he lets it off....your dead and the other passengers???? Put him away because he didn't stop when you orderd him to and pray you made the right call???? I don't envy anyone who has to do this because what ever you do your going to wrong somehow. If a cop tells you to stop and more especially when your in a city which was just subject to another bomb attack, if that cop tells you to stop then you better stop or sadly have to pay the ultimate price. Regards 
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