It's the fault of a PC game????

[BADDOG]

You may seen a dreadful story in the press and other media about a young lad who stabbed a fellow pupil to death at their school?

Well we have, (yet again) the story that this lad played a certain very violent computer game which may have influenced his behaviour and led him to commit this terrible crime. Certain "experts" claim that the amount of time this person spent playing this game may have caused him to act out, in real life, his fantasy and kill another person.

What a load of old twaddle! It seems to escape the notice of these "experts" that literally millions of us play these games and spend hours, shooting, stabbing and generally blowing to pieces other gamers on line in games like BHD, B.V. Doom, COD.....well the list is endless however none of us, (as far as I know), go round in our day to day lives stabbing, shooting ot blowing up real people, (although we may be tempted lol) because we all realise that we are playing games! It's not the real world as in most games you hit the space bar and come back to life and most sensible people are aware that you can't do that in the real world!

Psychologist's state that certain people who are constantly exposed to in game violence may lose their grip on reality and act out in the real world, the violence they experience in games. These psychologist's don't seem to realise that most if not all of us can tell the difference between a game and reality so it's convienient for them to blame awful events such as this on pc games whilst ignoring the fact that our society has become more violent and people in general are more aggressive due to the pressures of modern life.

I realise this is a sweeping statement and a generaliseation but to blame pc games for the ills of modern society seems utterly ridiculous to me!

I would be interested to hear what you guys and girls out there think of this before the powers that be decide, (in our best interests of course!) to try and ban all games that have violent content and don't think that the do gooders out there won't try to if they think they can get away with it!

Regards

[.enfo.]

yes i have heard about that on the news
they are just games and should not just be reinacted in real life and you cannot just "respawn" when you have been killed
the game could of been the reason for this
good insights baddog

[BADDOG]

Thx Bro but I don't believe any pc game is responsible for this awful murder, he was probably just lunatic who could have done this any time with out any thing in particular influencing him.

Regards

[Storm.]

the next thing ya no sum1 will pinch a chinook kamikazeing it into a building and sum1 blaming it on jo

[BADDOG]

Now that would not surprise me bro!!!!!!


Regards

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Bit like the whole events over the Matrix movies were been reinacted in America (was a program ages ago on some of the things they were planning to do u wouldnt believe, it involved shotguns and people trying to dodge the bullets..)

As for a game influencing some1 to murder another people... impossible..

[Lakie]

computer games do desensitize people to violence, multiple studies have proven this. Somewhat ironically playing FPS Miliary shooter games (DF, CS and the like) actually improves accuracy with real firearms, a study done buy a mate of mine for uni took a number of avid fps gamers a number of technologically incompetant people and piited them against each other, the gamers won hand down but when the non gamers had a week long intensive playing of counter strike and tested again the improvements were dramatic to say the least.

The Vietnam War also desenitized people..

But no we shouldnt ban voilent games, we dont ban alcohol because of the minority that abuses it, its just a tragic part of life. I think that the media have alot to answer for in this area...

[Reticle]

When these people were "pitted against each other" was it with real firearms on a shooting range, or in a game. If it was all virtual, I don't see how it could show anything relating to real firearms. If it was real, then I'll have to go shoot a gun sometime and see how I do. Haven't fired one in a few years, but when I first tried I was pretty damn accurate. Who knows what several years of playing FPS games could have done.

[UX*Lawson]

i've got the game for the playstation 2 and never wanted to kill anyone

[Hellfighter]

He's family is trying to get away with the charges that’s all. They trying to tell the world he sick in the head.

I have Play MGS: Snake and Duke Nukem/ Resident Evil 1 & 2/ Army Men 3D/ Project Overkill and many more. Not one time I every got the feel to do it for real.

Active US-Army: We dream about war and fighting hoping one day we will have a real fight. It was driven into us in the service. But deep down in us we hate it do to, really go to war people would die in it. Its not limited man and women & babies and kids and the hurt people feel in it. That you will never find in any 3D-game of any type. War is full of pain. 3D-Games are no were being near to the real thing.

Here the thing did he run down the street shooting every one he seen? Nope one guy he shot up. In all games you kill as many as you can. That’s were the real feel come from.

[Nev]

why blame society if you can blame computer games, that's much more convenient

[staffy bull]

hey baddog good too here ya again m8,and as always you got an interesting topic going.
personnally i`m with you
i think that these people are imbalanced before they play.
what i mean is they are already (unstable,unable too define right from wrong,etc,etc)

BB/Mike
i like the point you raise about gamers having the edge,i suspect that the way they moved around had a lot to do with it,you know how they approach situations with tactics in mind

[teej]

ok here is what i think

I think video games are 2% responsible for this. If a child is exposed to violent fps, at a very early age and acts out in a violent way, then they need to look into something like that. Personally i dont like all the blood and gore in video games. I think it is worthless and any normal human being knows that this is fake. For smaller children the gore does not need to be in there. Thats why they came out with the rating system.

Now if there is a 12 year old gamer out there that pplays fps, he/she is well old enough to no that this is not real. If they do some violent act like that, then they have mental problems, parents, or they are just bad. I mean Television rubs off more...Look at all the star wars fans LoL. they go to star wars conventions and dress up like them, and they are like 30 yrs old+.

But befor they make there decision on who to blame, they need to look into this persons history and how his childlife was not just because he plays video games

[zza1pqx]

It is a difficult topic because for those that have no experience of something, certain things like gqames about running around murdering people would on the face of it seem a bit shocking.
Now I come to think of it, it is a bit shocking but then again there are plenty of movies that cover the subject as well.
Its not hard to wonder why the hell sane people would want to run around killing people in a fantasy.
Nor therefore is it hard to come to the conclusion that you must be getting corrupted.
Because surely if a sane person thinks running around pretending to be a mass murderer is fun then what is that if no corruption?

We know that as a precursor to murder a games content is horse manure.
Some of you may be too young to remember but there was a time not all that long ago when womens lib' groups tried to demonstrate that all rapists were addicted to porn and so therefore all porn fans were potential rapists.
NOwadays we have a far more relaxed view of sex and Anne Summers shops and sex therapists advocate naughty pictures to spice up stable relationships. Not bad of a tunraround in less than a decade I think.

Having said that though I have a confession to make I wonder if anyone will share themselves a little so that I don't think I am a total fool.

How many of you here (like me) activley check for good sniper positions when you are out and about in case you
A) Need to take one up
B) Need to check where you are getting shot at from?

I know at least 35 top-end sniper spots in my tiny little town.
I almost have a 'Nam flashback attack when I visited Manchester recently.

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Originally posted by zza1pqx
How many of you here (like me) activley check for good sniper positions when you are out and about in case you
A) Need to take one up
B) Need to check where you are getting shot at from?

I know at least 35 top-end sniper spots in my tiny little town.
I almost have a 'Nam flashback attack when I visited Manchester recently.

I do the same m8, no matter where i go i think. if this happens what do i do where do i go where do i shoot from (if i find a firearm) i mainly think about hostage things (not me taking them) but if some1 took ppl hostage and i hadnt been seen what would i do?) I know it sounds wierd but its nice knowing u have a plan if u ever need it.. as for sniper spots is none in my town most buildings are only 2 story. lol.

I do the same thinking for every new place i go without even really knowing im doing it, im not a violent person but as i said nice having a plan

[Lakie]

in answer to asked they were real firearms

computer games have an effect in me in real life, but im limited to sometimes walking/running along "the racing line" because i play alot of racing games...

[Spazz]

the game is called Manhunt...made by RockStar (GTA series)


If what the phsycologists (sp) say is true then i would have killed about 2342353453 people by now...


last year in school we had sum bs speaker come in and talk about how Music and video games makes people go out and kill every1..he showed sum games that are "too violent" and i played every1 of them...i think its a loud of shiit

[zza1pqx]

"everytime you masturbate god kills a kitten"

I just fell off my chair laughing.
Cheers

[BADDOG]

As always on Nova Hq great feed back on a difficult subject.

I personally believe that you would definitely have to inclined towards violence to carry out such an act. The fact he played on this game quite a lot is just an excuse for certain people to hang the blame on.

I think the vast majority of games are not desensitized by playing FPS game as they bear absolutley no relation to the real world, I.E. big monsters don't roam around your local neighbour hood eating and killing every one they see, well they certainly don't roam around here, (not to sure about some of my neighbours though lol).

As for FPS games like BHD they can never create the impression that they are real nor is that the game makers intention, the games are there for pure escapism and entertainmnet.

I have no doubt that the "great and good" in parliament may some day react when some event occurs that in their opinion may be related to in game violence, that's a day I hope will never come. Maybe they should concentrate on dealing with the real problems society has.

Regards

P.S. ZZA I fell off my chair for the same reason!!!!

[Hellfighter]

I Know in some countries the Mom & Father of this trouble kid, they would have to pay the price and do the time for the Charges that so call trouble kid did if he kill some one they would have to pay the price for it.

This social law come in handy were: the Parents are the soul in charge they will take all the blame for it all and have to do the time for a underage children bad deeds