It Sucks And It's Getting Worse

[Lakie]

Dr. Bullet - I tend to agree with your point about china, it is the worlds sleeping giant, it will become huge within the next 100 years or so, look at Japan, not all that long ago it was like China is now, today it has a ecomony (that dosent really influence the world market much, butis stil impressive for its size) and is one of the most technologically advanced, safest propoerous countries in the world.

Now if only the damn politicians wold set Australia up, because if China booms, Australias going to be at a real advantage....

btw the UK youned the EU in 1973, they have yet to adpot the Euro as currency, te UK have 78 seats in the European Parliament, the Final Court of Appeal is the EU Court of Justice

[Dr. Bullet]

Originally posted by KU43
. A federation of European States is not going to lay dormant.
just like it says in the Bible.

Ahh, a Bible reading man. I had hoped someone would come along with the same biblical views about the EU. Very cool.

If we don't hurry up and do something, China's going to stand up and stomp anyone they want. They could send in all the men with just knives and still take over the world just by sheer population.

Speaking of stomping, and I know it's off topic, but the Ok. Sooners sure stomped Colorado

I stand corrected on the UK and the EU. Thanks for the info. I guess what I meant was the economy and currency then

[Lakie]

i dont think anyting will be able to stop china, like you say the sheer population rules out military action, trade sanctions wont work as everyone relies on them for products and general manufacturing. China will implode probably when they do boom and if there is a power struggle, every country tends to have one, but their communist-democratic system of government seems to keep everyone happy.

[BADDOG]

As a U.K. citizen I for one hope that we don't become part of a "European Union" as we should be governed from Westminster and not Brussels! I would much rather become the 51st state of the union than throw our lot in with the "European Superstate"!

The E.U. is dominated by France and Germany and left to them any tin pot dictator like Saddam would be left to do what the hell they like where as the close freindship we and the United States have prevents maniacs like him from getting away with murder....quite literally.

As my father was an American I may be biased but I realise along with many others here in the U.K. that the U.S. has been and remains the nation and friend we can rely on to stand with us against the ever mounting threat of terrorism globally. It's a two way street which benefits both the U.S. and the U.K.

When we faced a very real and dangerous threat from the Warsaw pact countries as they were, dominated by the then Soviet Union, it was the United States that bore the burden of keeping Western Europe free from Communism and for that we should all be very greatful!

Finally let's not forget the sacrifice of many young American men to help us free Europe from Hitlers tyranny in world war 2, a debt we can never repay.

Warm Regards from the son of an American serviceman.

[Dr. Bullet]

Well said Baddog

Mike, have you heard the wonderful news from China though? It seems the people are tired of working hard for pennies and being treated like dirt. From the way I read it, China's diving head first into a revolution. Unfortunately, it can't be said which direction a Chinese revolutionary force would go (government wise).

[SilentTrigger]

Originally posted by Dr. Bullet
I never said I liked the decisions our leaders made back then.

My problem with the UN is because of what, at its roots, in stands for, and that is control. Plain and simple. Do you know some of the measures that the UN countries are trying to push on the US? One is national legalized prostitution and legalized prostitution of young girls. One of its more notable supporters is Hillary Clinton.

I ask you this: what happens when this "world" organization decides that the US way of life just isn't good for us any more, and that action, military action, is necessary to change this? What happens when the jealous and greedy nations of the UN decide that countries like the US and GB that don't have their heads up their anal regions are bad for this world? Are you just going to go along with it?

The fact of the matter is, the UN will only work when it benefits everyone. No sane country would give a world power control over their own government...we saw this with Iraq's sanctions.

Also, I never said just the US and GB started the UN. What I said is they get the majority of their resources from us, including, but not limited to, finances and food. And it's a sh*tload of free food, lemme tell ya. And guess who gets the bill? Me and you matey. Personally, I don't care enough about a nation that throws the finger at us when we give them free food to keep on footing that bill. Seems to me, if Kim Jong Il is content to let his people die, and his people are content to keep up their crap about us, let them die. And that goes for every single other nation like that.

"My problem with the UN is because of what, at its roots, in stands for, and that is control. Plain and simple. Do you know some of the measures that the UN countries are trying to push on the US? One is national legalized prostitution and legalized prostitution of young girls. One of its more notable supporters is Hillary Clinton."

Refering to this:

http://www.beverlylahayeinstitute.or...goryid=reports ?

UN source of talks near the date of the article above:
http://www.un.org/News/Press/docs/20...390.p2.doc.htm

UN is against prostitution and trafficing and is pro legislation battleing this matter:

http://www.un.org/documents/ga/res/38/a38r107.htm

"I ask you this: what happens when this "world" organization decides that the US way of life just isn't good for us any more, and that action, military action, is necessary to change this?

And how is that different compared to whats going on in Iraq?

"What happens when the jealous and greedy nations of the UN decide that countries like the US and GB that don't have their heads up their anal regions are bad for this world? Are you just going to go along with it?"

I think this is where the Veto comes in, unless UK and/or US leaves the UN.

"Also, I never said just the US and GB started the UN. What I said is they get the majority of their resources from us, including, but not limited to, finances and food. And it's a sh*tload of free food, lemme tell ya. And guess who gets the bill? Me and you matey. Personally, I don't care enough about a nation that throws the finger at us when we give them free food to keep on footing that bill. Seems to me, if Kim Jong Il is content to let his people die, and his people are content to keep up their crap about us, let them die. And that goes for every single other nation like that. "

Considering the US is the biggest economy its quite obvious it pays more then a country with a lower economy.

And yes I do pay UN and EU through my countries taxes. Do I want to stop doing this because of greed? Defenetly not! I will pay and make donations towards UN and other help organisation in the UN family, because im not greedy enough to complain about every penny thats going towards someone who needs it more then me.

[Dr. Bullet]

That must be a new link, because when I heard about the prostitution, I found on the UN site where they plainly stated they were going to try to go through with that.

Technically it's no different. What is different is that our leader is not slaughtering thousands of his own people, slaughtering thousands of other peoples, and aiding and abetting terrorists. I guarantee that if North Korea, China, the Middle Eastern countries, etc. held enough power in the UN, they would put so many sanctions against us and may even use military force to take us over. It's plain and simple: the world doesn't like us. The world does not like that in just a few hundred years we have become the most prosperous nation. The world doesn't like that we let our citizens do almost whatever they want. The world doesn't like that we actually have opportunity here. That's because the world is turning socialist. Note: this includes GB too...but as I think the world sees it, the US is the greater evil (great Satan as islam calls us).

I have no problems helping poor people who need the help. What I do have a problem with is ingrate countries who take our food and money, but throw us the finger. There are plenty of countries who need our food and are thankful for it, and for that I have no problem. Case in point though: North Korea. We had a deal that we would feed them and build them a plant as long as they didn't continue nuclear warhead production. Not only did they go back on their end of the deal, they expected us to keep our end. All the while they teach their children that America is evil, teach them songs about killing Americans, teach them that there is nothing greater than to topple the American way of life. I'm sorry, but I'm ashamed of any American who thinks this is ok.

On top of that, nowhere in the Constitution does it allow the United States government to allow a world organization to rule it or the permission to levy taxes for that organization. In fact, income tax is unconstitutional (though it was amended for the war).

I have a hard enough time as it is giving Uncle Sam the money he takes. But to have to pay taxes for an organization (and that's what it is...just like the ACLU or similar)? I am violently opposed to that.

Futhermore, I'm tired of people saying that because we are a "rich" nation, we should foot the bill, or we should share more, etc. Talk to the middle east. For each of those countries' size, they bring in a lot more money than the US.

[KU43]

The last revolt, no it wasn't a revolt, more like a demonstration, China's milatry flattened about 2,000 unarmed people with tanks. I don't think many of them have forgotten. Bullet, George Washington said the less we had to do with other nations the better off we would be. Jefferson said "and what country can preserve it's libertys if it's leaders are not warned that these people preserve the sprite of resistance, let them take arms. The tree of liberty must be refreashed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."

[SilentTrigger]

"That must be a new link, because when I heard about the prostitution, I found on the UN site where they plainly stated they were going to try to go through with that."

New link? New page? I doubt they would change a document that was released in the beginning of 2003. The thing is that UN release everything thats said, if one countries leader says something in a meeting, even if its plain stupid, it will still be released.

"Technically it's no different. What is different is that our leader is not slaughtering thousands of his own people, slaughtering thousands of other peoples, and aiding and abetting terrorists. I guarantee that if North Korea, China, the Middle Eastern countries, etc. held enough power in the UN, they would put so many sanctions against us and may even use military force to take us over. It's plain and simple: the world doesn't like us. The world does not like that in just a few hundred years we have become the most prosperous nation. The world doesn't like that we let our citizens do almost whatever they want. The world doesn't like that we actually have opportunity here. That's because the world is turning socialist. Note: this includes GB too...but as I think the world sees it, the US is the greater evil (great Satan as islam calls us)."

In what way does this have to do to UN today? Speculating in the futre isn't good. I could speculate that USA will fire a atomic bomb within 10 years. Will they? Probebly not.
USA has veto, in other means, USA has the ultemate power togather with four other countries.

"I have no problems helping poor people who need the help. What I do have a problem with is ingrate countries who take our food and money, but throw us the finger. There are plenty of countries who need our food and are thankful for it, and for that I have no problem. Case in point though: North Korea. We had a deal that we would feed them and build them a plant as long as they didn't continue nuclear warhead production. Not only did they go back on their end of the deal, they expected us to keep our end. All the while they teach their children that America is evil, teach them songs about killing Americans, teach them that there is nothing greater than to topple the American way of life. I'm sorry, but I'm ashamed of any American who thinks this is ok."

Where do UN come into this?

PS, will continue on this later, need to wanish for a while. DS