Whats the world coming to?

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http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0...149674,00.html

This is by far the most unreal hostage situation ive ever heard of.

[Steve]

yeah i was reading about this earlier. just crazy

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Is there no end to the world's madness?????


Regards a some what bewildered

[Systemkaos]

LMAo lets hope thats an APC cuz a tank would really be pointless

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Also lets hope they dont use that gas they used in 2002 in that threater :-\..

[Lakie]

they actually had a 'vaccine' of sorts for that gas, if you look closely of the footage of the people coming out you see soliders poking people left right and centre...

[Steve]

wooohaaa it's kicking off big time now.
its about 2 hours since things started but now all you can hear on the news is explosions and gun fire, seems to be getting worse by the minute.

[Steve]

200 wounded - 150 children
10 dead so far

but by the sounds of it, there is gonna be a looooooot more :/



but even right now, no one knows hw many people are in there. estimates from 400 to 1500! how can they not have any idea? even estimates of hostage takers vary from 15 to 40.

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they need the SAS counter terrorist unit to help them ... (2 bad they werent asked to help out, see how well the SAS handled the embassy seige?) Wonder if they were there what way would it have ended?

http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0...211973,00.html

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/3624024.stm live coverage of events

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Damn. The worst part about this is the huge scale of it. Bush has offered his full support, which I assume means Delta (best counter terrorist forces in the world!). Problem is, with that many terrorists and hostages, a small unit, which is how Delta, and just about all counter terrorist forces, work, can't hope to fully resolve the problem, and they're really not effective working in large groups.

[Reticle]

Well, it's finally over, and the cost in life is atrocious. The sad thing is, the whole thing was TERRIBLY botched by the Russians. There was no way to end this without hostage deaths, but it could have been much less if they'd gone in right away, instead of having lots of small skirmishes. I say, righ from the beginning, get Delta, Spetsnaz, and SAS to go in together. I just did a quick search for Spetsnaz on Google, and it turns out they're a lot less secretive than Delta. You can actually get videos of them training. When it comes to combat, they're pretty damned good. At hand to hand, they're without a doubt the best in the world (you should see the video of their hand to hand training). Basically, they, along with some external help, could have resolved this in minutes, with FAR less hostage deaths. Which means that what really cost a lot of people their lives, was bad governmental management, which is REALLY sad.

[Nitewolf ~MLK~]

check this out


http://www.ebaumsworld.com/pentagon.html#Preloader

[Steve]

lol the world would be a much saner place without conspiricy theorists

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Originally posted by Nitewolf ~MLK~
check this out


http://www.ebaumsworld.com/pentagon.html#Preloader

Just watched it, u know that bit from the pentagon camera. The thing flying towards it looks surprisingly like a missile. If the so called "flyer" of the Aircraft was quoted as been unable to fly, then how could he fly at over 500MPH 2 feet above the ground? Not even the best pilot in the world could pull it off especially with that size of a plane. And no sign of a plane wreck . The fact that s smaller hole 200m away from the impact area was made now what kind of "hull" does a 757 have? (its not strong judging a bullet can go through it) and yet its managed to go through many sections of buildings.

I`d love to hear the American governments reaction to the video.

[SilentTrigger]

SAS, Delta, ONI, GSG9 nor Spetsnaz would have made any difference. Im supprised that aleast 50 got out alive, as the terrorists used bombs, storming the building would not have made any real difference, most likley it would have been worse.

PS ONI is the Swedish version of Delta, SAS and Spetsnaz.
GSG9 is the german one which is famous around the world for their work.

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Originally posted by SilentTrigger*MFA*
SAS, Delta, ONI, GSG9 nor Spetsnaz would have made any difference. Im supprised that aleast 50 got out alive, as the terrorists used bombs, storming the building would not have made any real difference, most likley it would have been worse.

PS ONI is the Swedish version of Delta, SAS and Spetsnaz.
GSG9 is the german one which is famous around the world for their work.

Actually u`d be surprised how successful counter terrorist operations have went well even though it was against the odds. Take the Iranian embassy seige.

Anything was worth a shot. But the question is why did the perimeter around the school suddendly break whenever it happened? Letting civilians get 2 close and the terrorists escape. And parents and the general public picking up weapons ? This shouldnt have been allowed by the russian army forces. The rebels may have been plain clothes. So were the parents, who would the army know who to shoot at whenever some fleed the building.

Russian Army failed miserably in protecting the public around the area.

Just my view

[Steve]

Originally posted by ux*bb
Just watched it, u know that bit from the pentagon camera. The thing flying towards it looks surprisingly like a missile. If the so called "flyer" of the Aircraft was quoted as been unable to fly, then how could he fly at over 500MPH 2 feet above the ground? Not even the best pilot in the world could pull it off especially with that size of a plane. And no sign of a plane wreck . The fact that s smaller hole 200m away from the impact area was made now what kind of "hull" does a 757 have? (its not strong judging a bullet can go through it) and yet its managed to go through many sections of buildings.

I`d love to hear the American governments reaction to the video.

i've got some links your gonna love if you like 'theories' and that kind of stuff.

just a note about the reference to the hull and it going through sections of a building > 100 tonnes going at 500 mph will break a few walls and the plane basically going to atomise. well just my opinion.

this is a good link to answer some of the questions asked in that flash movie > http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/blflight77.htm


check these links to fuel your mind with other theories about the attacks on 9/11 my personal fave is that the second plane fired a missile into the WTC about 1/2 a second before the plane hit:

http://www.thewebfairy.com/911/letsr...reen%20Low.wmv

http://www.policestate21.com/flight1...lies_video.wvx

http://www.policestate21.com/nowindows_video.wvx

http://www.question911.com/
http://www.gallerize.com/new/Galleri...s.03.10.17.htm
http://www.911inplanesite.com/

OMG > The “real” planes got switched for cruise missiles plus holographic cover projections long before the real planes reached the buildings, > http://www.serendipity.li/wot/plissken.htm



From

http://ourworld-top.cs.com/mikegriffith1/refute.htm

REFUTING THE 9/11 CONSPIRACY THEORIES

I believe the articles below thoroughly refute the various 9/11 conspiracy theories. One of these conspiracy theories says President Bush and other top government officials deliberately ignored intelligence information that pointed to impending terrorist attacks by Al Qaeda. Another theory says Al Qaeda had nothing to do with the attacks, that they were carried out by the U.S. military at the behest of the oil industry and the military industrial complex, and that the Pentagon was struck by a cruise missile (and not by a Boeing passenger jet). Which is it going to be? Yet another theory holds that terrorists did indeed fly planes into the World Trade Center but that the Pentagon was struck by a cruise missile that was fired by our own military in order to intimidate Congress! Wouldn't the military have fired the missile at the Congressional Office Building or at the Capital Building if they wanted to intimidate Congress? Why would anyone have thought that firing a missile at the Pentagon would intimidate Congress? And what about the fact that the remains of the passengers on Flight 77 were recovered from the wreckage at the Pentagon? What about the fact that both of Flight 77's black boxes were recovered from the wreckage? What about the fact that numerous witnesses specified that they saw a jetliner approach and/or hit the Pentagon? What about the fact that photos from that day show plane debris near the hole that the jetliner tore into the Pentagon? What about the fact that witnesses saw plane debris in the wreckage? The articles below present evidence that Al Qaeda was responsible for the 9/11 attacks, and they take a critical look at the theory that the Pentagon was not struck by Flight 77


Check these links out Steppen, if you find the time.

9/11 pentagon attack
http://clk.about.com/?zi=12/Sa&t=g&p...blflight77.htm

Refute pentagon missle theory
http://urbanlegends.about.com/gi/dyn...com/2002/03/14

Pentagon damage could be from 767
http://news.uns.purdue.edu/UNS/html4....Pentagon.html

Official version entirely possible
http://www.cs.purdue.edu/homes/cmh/simulation/

Graphics and text explaining Pentagon crash and damage
\http://www.usatoday.com/graphics/new...agon/frame.htm

Missle hit Pentagon??
http://www.snopes.com/rumors/pentagon.htm

Al Qaeda admits 9/11
http://english.pravda.ru/main/2002/09/10/36235.html

Debunking the bunk of 9/11
http://www.purportal.com/special/9-11/

What the President Knew and When He Knew It
http://brian.carnell.com/articles/2002/05/000020.html

Why the WTC Towers Collapsed So "Quickly"
http://brian.carnell.com/articles/2001/11/000021.html

Dissecting Disinformation: The "No Boeing 757" Theory
http://www.montalk.net/pentagon.html

9/11 Denial
http://www.nationalreview.com/robbins/robbins040902.asp

Dissonance About the 9/11 Attacks
http://www.laweekly.com/ink/02/35/dissonance-cooper.php

French Buy Into 9/11 Conspiracy
http://www.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/europe/06/26/france.book/

Detainees Reveal Bin Laden's Reaction to 9/11 Attacks
http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/09/10/ar911.osama.exclusive/

Egyptians Knew of Planned 9/11 Attacks
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/arti...29/71547.shtml

Cynthia McKinney's Insanity and Hypocrisy
http://www.nationalreview.com/goldbe...berg041202.asp

When 9/11 Conspiracy Theories Go Bad
http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=12536

What DIDN'T Really Happen
http://mckinneysucks.blogspot.com/

The 9/11 X-Files
http://www.thenation.com/capitalgame...l?bid=3&pid=66

9/11 Chronology
http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/09/11/chronology.attack/

How the Left Caused the 9/11 Attacks
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/arti...2/175758.shtml




did you know that all the following have been proved by conspiricy theorists? >

1. It's a UFO.
2. It's a hologram.
3. The "missle" is a secret Particle-Beam Weapon.
4. It's a military F-16 in disguise.
5. It's a military bomber in disguise.
6. It's an Area 51 experiment in disguise.
7. It was a mass hallucination.
8. It was Air Force One.
9. It's actually a French plane.
10. It's actually a Canadian plane.
11. It's actually a Russian plane.
12. It "jumped" out of time, fired a missle, then went back.

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Russia's problem with this was management. Spetsnaz is not a bad fighting force (although they do seem to be tasked more towards warfare than counterterrorism). While there would have been many deaths no matter what, ending it all at once, without all the skirmishes, would DEFIANTELY have lowered the number of dead. As for all the conspiracy theories and crap...ugh! Those things can actually be quite dangerous (about 1 in 3 teenagers in Germany actually believes that the US government pulled off 9/11 to curry sympathy)

[SilentTrigger]

Originally posted by ux*bb
Actually u`d be surprised how successful counter terrorist operations have went well even though it was against the odds. Take the Iranian embassy seige.

Anything was worth a shot. But the question is why did the perimeter around the school suddendly break whenever it happened? Letting civilians get 2 close and the terrorists escape. And parents and the general public picking up weapons ? This shouldnt have been allowed by the russian army forces. The rebels may have been plain clothes. So were the parents, who would the army know who to shoot at whenever some fleed the building.

Russian Army failed miserably in protecting the public around the area.

Just my view

Well did they have bombs straped to their bodies?

Also the terrorists opened fire, russian army started firing back BOOM the bomb was set off killing everyone in the gym (well atleast most of them)

The agotiations had failed. The russian millitary was about to go in before the bomb but they never did get the chance. Thats how i remember it. And in this situation it wouldnt have helped with delta or any other anti terrorist unit.

They did what they could.