the most important supream court ruling in our time.

[katana*GFR*]

Originally posted by Bustin
In all reality the US has one of the lowest gun involved death rates. The reason you hear about them all the time is because we have a much larger population.

If we are going to talk semantics we could always discuss outlawing salt, tobacco, and religion.

Really, in reality? How come it is in % still more then almost all other western country's?

And the 2nd sentence is just rubbish, that has nothing to do with this.. Keep on topic?


Mauser you know my stance..
Militia is dead, militia is something of the past.. And anyone that says its still alive, is someone that tries to hold ties with the past.
Militia was there because in the past the military and police couldn't get to locations so fast. Thats why the militia was there..
In the modern day world militia isn't needed, there merely some unorganized cowboys with big toys!

If you militia would encounter a terrorist cell with bad intentions, you all be gone before you even get the chance to get to them..
O yeah, there might be some ex military in there, but that isn't enough to make it a trained unit..

But keep it up that you need things from the past, in the end history will kick you in the ass.

All you guys do now is pseak from your own point of view but never you try to look at it from another point of view..

[Bustin]

Salt kills more people than guns do, tobacco products kill more people than guns do, and religion is the biggest mass murdering culprit of all time. That's how those items fall in to conversation. You cannot argue for the removal of one right because it may cause injury when in the hands of the ill minded, and not argue the removal of all items that can do so.

I've been handling fire arms since I was about 4 years old and my father purchased me my first 22. In the past 18 years I have never pointed a fire arm at one person. I have joined the US Army, and am prepping to join the police department after my son is born. I sleep with an M4 in my house magazine fully loaded because you never know when you may need to protect your family. Now I am not trying to start arguements, but honestly I have not had even a speeding ticket in my life; so why do you believe I cannot own a fire arm.

[katana*GFR*]

You just mentioned it.. You keep a fully loaded M4 in your house.. Thats were it all starts.. Just for safety..

Well my balls to that, i don't have any gun, even tho i have my licenses. All i have, behind reinforced glass, in the cabinet are some knives.
Yes i have been in the military also.

You just supported my statement with the "because you never know"
So that points out you don't look to it from the other side.

Say what you want about salt, tobacco and religion, but they still have nothing to do with this law.. Or it must be some weird American mindset i cannot follow that it has to do something with it..

[SilentTrigger]

Between 1998 and 2000 there ware 0.01 / 100 people killed by firearms in the United Kingdom.

Same period for United States was 0.2 / 100 people, thats more then 20 times more.

Source: NationMaster.com

"do you who live in these places that dont allow you to be armed really think you wont be violated someday?"

Of course I can, but if I have a gun it's more likely to be killed then if I would not have one. I definitely consider a militia to be more dangerous then the government

[Hellfighter]

funny for over 300yrs its been all good and not they like to limited what we have now to what they had back in the good old days.

there will never be a day a law breaker break the law using a fire arm of some type.

soon they make up a bill you can't use any thing other then a butter knife in one own home, no sharp edge knife at all.

its the end user who handle the weapon they need to look out for not the general public over all.

yea there more way to kill then using a firearm in one home or in the public area.

a car can kill as will, what they going to do about that? ban all trucks & Cars as will.

they are dreaming is all. cut one item out? there always another item to ban sooner or later a killer will use some other tool's maybe a; axe, jackhammer, nailgun, cellphone with a bomb, book on how too kill other, books on story's on murder people. its a joke they are living in to think they can save a life by making a fool law that ban all weapons.

[ShArP]

ok i have a feeling you are all getting this all wrong...

they are not trying to do this for the whole United States, just for the Washington D.C. area

[Hellfighter]

really thats what they all say about other laws till it bleach out from one state into near by states!

then next you know other states all cross the USA pass into law all USA ok lol

i can name a some laws that gone that way, can you? one sample hint; California

[Scott]

If we ban guns, stabbings and beatings with baseball bats will go up. i perfer to be shot then have a conversation with a steel baseball bat or knife.

Criminals will always get their hands on whatever it is they want. You cannot ban guns and expect everyone will sleep better at night.

[Lakie]

I think as much as anything its the fact that american society feels the need to defend themselves and keep firearms, rather than a "Im a sane person and keep a firearm", understand from the outside it looks like everyones perpetuating the problem. Throughout the rest of the developed world with few exceptions have gun control of some form, yet are all functoining democracies with lower firearm crime rates and lower crime rates in general.

[ShArP]

but they will never replace these guns

[atholon]

Man porn!!! Yuck!

...I don`t wanna know what sites you visit SHARP.

Anywho, they will never be able to ban firearms in the USA. It is a simple fact. I want to make a gun like the one in ....what is it called....the one with Tom Cruise and the seeing the future bit...crap, just spaced it.

[ShArP]

Originally posted by atholon
...I don`t wanna know what sites you visit SHARP.

i just typed in google Arnold's Guns lol

[Bustin]

Minority Report

[SilentTrigger]

I would defenetly take a knife before being shot any day. Distance is a key factor

[Mauser 98K]

Originally posted by katana*GFR*
Really, in reality? How come it is in % still more then almost all other western country's?

And the 2nd sentence is just rubbish, that has nothing to do with this.. Keep on topic?


Mauser you know my stance..
Militia is dead, militia is something of the past.. And anyone that says its still alive, is someone that tries to hold ties with the past.
Militia was there because in the past the military and police couldn't get to locations so fast. Thats why the militia was there..
In the modern day world militia isn't needed, there merely some unorganized cowboys with big toys!

If you militia would encounter a terrorist cell with bad intentions, you all be gone before you even get the chance to get to them..
O yeah, there might be some ex military in there, but that isn't enough to make it a trained unit..

But keep it up that you need things from the past, in the end history will kick you in the ass.

All you guys do now is pseak from your own point of view but never you try to look at it from another point of view..

i am the militia, and a man who doesnt embrace his past has no future for he who forgets his past is destined to repeat it.


and training is nothing will is everything, training in tactics gives you a starting point for adaptation, you ither adapt the tactics you know to certain situations and create tactics for other situations or you will fail, all the training is nothing without thought, and all the training in the world wont help you if there is no will, i have seen guys that had years of training **** their pants and run in the face of death.

did you know it was what you call "untrained militia" that caused the redcoats so much problems during the war aganst england? it was pigfarmers, ranchers, plantation owners, everyday people with no military background that turned the war aganst england.

it was ordanary people in the resistance in nazi occupied France that fought off one of the most advanced militarys of the 20th century, that wasnt to long ago ither.

it was ordanary people at WACO that caused these FBI and ATF with all their training to crap themselves and do a rout, it wasnt a retreat it was a rout, a retreat you gather your dead and wounded , a rout you fall back and regrup, did you know it was a grandmother on the semiauto .50 that took out one of the choppers? a kid with a semiauto 30-06 took out the other if they hadnt of brought in tanks with flame cannons and burned them alive they would have put up one hell of a fight.

all one has to do is look at their history, the history you sugest to forget, and they will see ordanary people with no military training beating some of the most sophisticated military units of their time, there was a general who said, "one cannot say that civilians dont advance, for in every war they find new ways of killing you".

this you cannot resist you will be absorbed is what they have brainwashed people into beliving so that they wont fight back, becaue one man defending his home is worth 5 trained soldiers, read about the crusades, there were cases of 12 men with pitchforks killing the crusaders taking their wepons and killing 40-50 trained soldiers.

i have also played trained soldiers in simulation games in a dethmatch, i have desimated them, professional soldiers are predictible the world is full of amitures, and yes i know that a game isnt real but still i was able to outthink the professional. but also thinking a game cant be used as a trining tool is dumb, for the military use games all the time to train fighter pilots in simulation, they use simulation games to train in close quarters , and many other things.

tactics and training are no substitute for thought, if you always stick to tactics and never think you will never advance, and will be killed by the one who does think and adapt.


looks like some1 who is ex-military would know about how well a fighter a civilian can be, of corse going up aganst a grass hut aganst a man who all he has is a stick is a little diffrent than going up aganst a man with a gun isnt it?

and since when has a cop been there to prevent a murder?

what about these school shootings? was the fact they was all disarmed make them safer? where was the cop to put an end to it ? almost all of these shootings the cops showed up after the fact so relying on te police is like relying on a glass eye ata keyhole, it never works, like they say, 911 is state sponsored dial a prayer.


im ready for a challenge katana , you got DFLW? i want to see how good you are as a trained soldier.

[atholon]

hehe. Mauser!!!

adamant!!

Just realized that it was minority report lol

[SilentTrigger]

"im ready for a challenge katana , you got DFLW? i want to see how good you are as a trained soldier."

It's a game and limited as such.

Anyways, I embrace my past which was a bloody past. I see forward into the future in hope of a less bloody future and in that future there is no room for guns on the streets and in every home

[Mauser 98K]

yes it is a game , but you can learn if you pay attention, a lot of civilian games that are out there are used by the military to train with, an i know this stuff will work, i have used some of the same tsactics i have developed in DFLW in paintball and they work quiet well, onlyprob with it is most people treat it like , hey its a game and ya can never use it as a training tool, i have a recruter buddy that uses DFBHD as a simulation, it has been altered to the extent everything is realistic but it is still DFBHD, using a LAN connection 20MBPS you have no delay and in the right hands and set up corectly it can be as real as the real thing.

yall all know the origional doom dont ya? they used this weird litle game in deathmatch as a simulation, dont belive me look it up, and games have gotten more advanced since then.

[katana*GFR*]

First, DFLW sucks for that. And i havent played it in ages. And Lag is a key factor there.
If i lived in the US i would take your challenge and setup a military vs "militia" MILES battle..
If you insist on a game to use, get me copy of VBS2.. DFLW and BHD are crap for those kind of trainings.
And lag is a keyfactor you cannot underestimate.. Also sounds are not up to what they sounds in real life..

For the rest im not even going to comment anymore Mauser, you keep proving what i say.. And you only shine light from one side..

Militia vs redcoats.. You say like they did a great job.. Go look back and see how circumstances were back then and how the general feeling was..

You can give me any example you want, but you only pick those that support your meaning the most. And that is fine because that is what a discussion is for..
All i have to say, how long did it took, and against what casualty's? Bad example..


And i dont know which soldiers you fought against online, but that is in no single way comparable to the real thing.. Not even a bit..

[Mauser 98K]

lol, what, ya afraid you will lose in DFLW?

and no i pick those that prove what you are saying to be false.

i still cant figure out that every time some1 says something that goes aganst what another person belives it is automaticly one sided, do you think what you are posting isnt one sided to some1? what i am saying is a side of things and what you are saying is a side of things every1 has a opinion and a belief and some1 somewhere will think it crap and one sided.

all i do is post the facts and well if history is one sided then i am guilty of being one sided, but you gota remember, history is writen by the victor and all the wars in history never proved who was right or wrong it only determined who was left.


and the military MILES stuff is ok, but i like pelletgun wars myself, they give you a nasty sting to remind you to get behind some cover, lol.

but the miles has one problem, LOS line of sight, a leaf will block the beam, i know i have played with a home build miles gear using IR lasers.
a good system is what they called laser tag, you can use this as a training aid, you got to fucus the beam to a point to prevent faning of the beam at longer ranges.

you can also if you want to use real guns, you take a cartrige and using nothing but the primer puch the end of the cartrige into a block of wax, the wax is your nonlethal projectile, works great for pistoles, and feels abluut like a paintball when it hit you.

and sounds are dodo,because sounds are just that, sound, and cannot hurt you unless it is a muzzleblast at 3in from your ear, do you think you can hear the sound of a .308 at 850m on rough terrain real good, you will be lucky to hear it at all if it hits you, and if your buddies open up it will impair your ability to hear that much more.

the sound of the bullet hitting you is more likely to be louder at long range, a light load and a pop bottle wraped in tape will take care of your gunshot sound at 100m or more, and a 22cal behind the ear is more than difficult to trace if it a subsonic expecially in a 24in barrel.

and every1 belives in the short barrel M4 carabine and m16, well being the barrel for the M4 is so short the manufacturers have cut the powder charge for the 5.56 or .223 nato a little to cut down on muzzle flash and wast of powder cuting the range a little, and the 30 russian or 7.62x39mm has more range and stoping power than the m16 and m4 now.

being a military person you should know the answer to this question, why was the 5.56 or .223 bullet developed?






it was developed for the air force, it was designed so that the pilot could have a gun and if in a hot AO(Area of Operations) if he had to shoot some1 close to the plane and if he acidently hit the plane it would make a small hole instead of a big hole and it could be patched with a rivet , the department of the army thought it would be a good calibur to have on the batlefield because of the size of the bullet they could carry a lot of rounds( never mind it took more rounds to do the same job in a firefight) and being the round was smaller they could then make the guns smaller.

the 5.56 is hardly a main battle cartrige, the main cartrige for the m-14 they trained out to 600m with the new varmint rifles it is around 250-300m because that is pushing it for these guns, but it doesnt matter becaue almost all ot the fighting our military does nowadays is cosequarters, like the MOUT Military Operations on Urbanized Terrain, i have read the manual cover to cover many times, same with the FM-23-10 the TM-43-001-27 and half of the other manuals put out, and my ability to think lets me employ these readings wherever nessisary.

ya know wht my MBR or Main Battle Rifle is? semiauto Hakiem in 7.92x57mm got 2000m on the sights and i can hit at 600m with it i know, i have doe that with a man sized target, if i can put a 1in patern at 150m imagine what i could do with a man sized target at 600m, and the 7.92x57mm i know for a fact it will penetrate centerblock at range, pop a hole thru 3\8armor with the AP round and devistate some1 with a vest with the spoter rounds,( spoter rounds have a small explocive charge that detonates on impact to show the placeing of the round), screw auto it is unessisary unless you have a wave of people, becaue if you are cut off from supply if you just spray and pray you will be using it as a nice expencive club b4 to long.

and as for all the nice high tech equipment, you know you can use a wock(the saucer shaped cooking pot) a microwave oven, a inverter, and a 12v car battery and destroy all of the electronic equipment the enemy has? you dismantle the microwave , use the tube and power unit in it, fix the magnatron tube to the wock as to focus the beam of microwaves, point this at the advancing enemy and hoock the juice to it and the rusultin microwave beam at over 50,000 watts RF power will act just like a magnetic pulse and will fry radios(not to fun when you out gunned and cant call for help) it will fry nightvision, gps, it will also cook the electronics in these handheld UAV units, and when all the hightech toys are gone it is a whole diffent battle.

theseare just afew things i know, if it told you half of what i know about these things your head would explode, i have devoted my entire life to this stuff and you would be supprised as to what i can acomplish when properly motevated.