the most important supream court ruling in our time.

[Mauser 98K]

this is the most important ruling in US history, if they rule that the second amendment protects an individuals rights to keep and bear arms then it will over rule a lot of gun controll laws that are out there.

if they rule that the second amendment does not protect or grant an idividual rights to keep and bear arms then we will have no protection under the constitution and they can then outlaw all guns and come in and take them and arest you or kill you if you resist, this can get real ugly.

================================================== ====================================
Supremes To Rule On 2nd Amendment

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...502358_pf.html


Despite mountains of scholarly research, enough books to fill a library shelf and decades of political battles about gun control, the Supreme Court will have an opportunity this week that is almost unique for a modern court when it examines whether the District’s handgun ban violates the Second Amendment.

The nine justices, none of whom has ever ruled directly on the amendment’s meaning, will consider a part of the Bill of Rights that has existed without a definitive interpretation for more than 200 years.

“This may be one of the only cases in our lifetime when the Supreme Court is going to be interpreting the meaning of an important provision of the Constitution unencumbered by precedent,” said Randy E. Barnett, a constitutional scholar at the Georgetown University Law Center. “And that’s why there’s so much discussion on the original meaning of the Second Amendment.”

The outcome could roil the 2008 political campaigns, send a national message about what kinds of gun control are constitutional and finally settle the question of whether the 27-word amendment, with its odd structure and antiquated punctuation, provides an individual right to gun ownership or simply pertains to militia service.

[Xx_jet_xX]

back then the militia was the general population. So if you and i were neighbors and had a hunting rifle each, and our country was invaded we would have our rifle ready to defend our country/town and family if needed. Another thing about that amendment is its purpose to allow the people to be able to overthrow/defend against the very government they were creating. it goes with the whole "by the people" part in another amendment.

Anyway the only people hurt by gun control laws are the law abiding citizens. those the laws are supposed to affect are not affected by them.

[Mauser 98K]

Originally posted by Xx_jet_xX
back then the militia was the general population

yup and it still is, the militia is the population as a whole, it consist of any1 who is able to bear arms to defend this nation.

[atholon]

I still would perfer seeing people with tazers than people walking around with guns.

[Bustin]

Originally posted by atholon
I still would perfer seeing people with tazers than people walking around with guns.

What you don't understand atholon is that only law abiding people would turn over their weapons. Then crime rates would soar. Why? Well I live in Texas and I know that when I am in Walmart the guy next to me may have a CHL, as could every other person of age and qualification. That mindset really does help control crime rates.

You aren't going to kick in your neigbors door knowing he has a shotgun by his bed are you?

[atholon]

I heard a story of a guy who did just that, jacked the homeowners gun and held his family hostage. Think it was in the reader's digest.

My point is that the wepon can be used for or against you....the most a tazer can do is stun you...it's very unlikely to kill you like a gun but it disables the person long enough.

[Chrispy]

Although I think people fear guns more than tasers...

Chris

[IcIshoot]

I hope they leave it alone.

As bustin said - if guns were outlawed, it would only be the law abiding people who would honor it - which leaves the guns to the criminals.

All they would have to do is have some kind of protection against the tazer and you would be there helpless against a guy with a gun.

[ShArP]

you know what a cop told me and my dad one time when someone tried to break into my house? he said if they break into your house, shoot them and drag them inside,

i use guns for protection and for hunting

and like some said above me, if guns are outlawed the criminals will have the guns still and there is no way to completely outlaw guns

[Bustin]

Before guns even existed there were mass murders and serial killers...guns don't kill people. People kill people.

[Luckz]

Kinda reminds me of the family guy episode when Y2K happens. Peter makes guns and the people kick him out of the town. Then they destroy every gun ever made, about 10 minutes later they get attacked and wish they had guns

[Mauser 98K]

exactly Bustin, the thing about a taser atholon is that you get one shot most of the time, and if there are 2 or 3 of them you might get one but then they will royaly screw you up for shooting their freind with the taser and then ya would turn a simple robery into a murder scene, your murder scene, a taser is more likely to get you killed than to protect you in my opinion, id be more afraid of a pelletgun or a slingshot than a taser, atleast ya can kill with a pelletgun or slingshot, like those metal framed slingshots with the surgical tubeing with a 3/8 steel ball you can aproach 38 special velocitys with it, and can get quiet good with one where you can hit a tin can at 30ft.

if they have cardboard armor or a thick jacket a taser wont penetrate, if they duck behind a wall or door or other item even a chair they wont penetrate, and if they are high on PCP or other hard drugs it wont even affect them, i have a cop freind that was in a shootout with a guy who was on PCP the guy was shot over 20 times and you could see light thru him and he was still fighting, do you think a taser will affect that guy? if anything itll piss him off, and dont even try to use one in the rain itll get you too, and pluss 15ft is about max range for the taser, and you can be killed with a taser, you shootem in the throat ir the side of the head at close range, and most tasers are timed as to prevent hurting them so after this time limit you cant shockem any more.

i keep a gun on me all the time, i got my pants on i got my gun and an extra clip, i got the second clip as a custom load, it is stagered ball ammo and hollow point, this is a combat load, the ball ammo is good for windsheilds, doors, etc, and the hollowpoint is good for people, the only time a a gun of yours can be used aganst you is if you allow the situation to arise, like leaving a loaded gun in plain sight in the other side of your house when you are sleeping or not paying attention or a loaded gun in you car or truck and you go inside laving you doors ul=nlocked in a bad part of town, that just invites trouble.

if you gun is loaded keep it with you or unload it, i keep one gun out at a time sometimes 2 depending on the situation, and they are with me when theyare loaded, if im not using them ill uload it and put it in my gun safe, but i always have atlest one on me at all times, sometimes 2.

[katana*GFR*]

I hope it passes.. All i hear is that allowing guns keep crime rates low.. Why hells name are there so many shot people in the US then each year?
All it need is that YOU, the gun owner, need to step of the old mindset that you need a gun under your bed..
And for the militia? That doesnt exist in modern day world. Militia is somethign of the past..

And if you keep insisting it is still needed, revert back to all old customs.. And not just a few that suit yourself. So no more electricity, no more PC's, no more automatic weapons..

It will take a year or 15 orso, but then you'll be used to it.. And the new generations have a whole lot safer place to live...

[ShArP]

would you guys rather get shot once or stabbed with a knife multiple times?

if they bad guns they might as well ban all weapons, including knives, because getting stabbed multiple times is much more worse than getting shot, just depending on where you get shot.

[atholon]

I am not saying that banning wepons like guns is bad. I say that we need to come up with an alternative that isn`t leathel

[Bustin]

Originally posted by katana*GFR*
Why hells name are there so many shot people in the US then each year?

In all reality the US has one of the lowest gun involved death rates. The reason you hear about them all the time is because we have a much larger population.

If we are going to talk semantics we could always discuss outlawing salt, tobacco, and religion.

[Mauser 98K]

Originally posted by katana*GFR*
I hope it passes.. All i hear is that allowing guns keep crime rates low.. Why hells name are there so many shot people in the US then each year?
All it need is that YOU, the gun owner, need to step of the old mindset that you need a gun under your bed..
And for the militia? That doesnt exist in modern day world. Militia is somethign of the past..

And if you keep insisting it is still needed, revert back to all old customs.. And not just a few that suit yourself. So no more electricity, no more PC's, no more automatic weapons..

It will take a year or 15 orso, but then you'll be used to it.. And the new generations have a whole lot safer place to live...

spoken like a true victium.


the militia still exists, and they are all over the US, like the minuitman militia, the michigan militia, and a lot more, to many to name here.

and gun laws that ban ownership mr smarty does not stop shootings, take in example austrailia, or england, there are shootings there every year, if they did outlaw guns here and try to disarm the people all they will be doing is cuting their own throats, for ill be damed if im gona give up my gun and i will kill the sombich that trys, and a whole lot of others will do the same, there would be in fact another American civil war, i know how many people are out there that are ex-military that are part of the militia at large, i know one guy who is an ex-intel anylist and we the militia exist in the hundreds of thousands and are willing to lay our lives on the line to safeguard this nations future.

why the heck do you think our founding fathers put the second amendment into the constitution? it is there for the time that they try and take the other rights, it was a safeguard to prevent what King George from ever happening again, these socialist elite know that while the people are armed they can never fully controll this country, and the entire nation being armed is what helped keep us from getting invaded by russia during the cold war, the russian general in charge was asked why didnt he just invade the US, he response was it would be unwise to invade the US because there are to many yankees with guns.

all thruout history the civilizations where the people wernt allowed to have weapons the people were slaved out by their own governments, like the gun controll laws of germany, after they disarmed the german people, look what happened there, millions were killed by the nazies, look what happened when the communist took over russia and disarmed the people, same thing there, millions were killed, imprisioned, etc, look what happened to the scotish people during english rule, ever heard of English Right of Prima Nocta? it was an english officers right to take a woman on her wedding day and have sexual rights to her, why did it take so long for them to be driven out, because the subjects were not armed.

look what happened to the people of rome, ya see what happened to that civilization.

the only way for a free country to stay free is to allow its people to have arms and to protect themselves and their rights.

do you who live in these places that dont allow you to be armed really think you wont be violated someday?


there is an old saying , those who beat their swords into plowshears will plow for those who dont.

[atholon]

I hate long posts. I am to lazy to read through all of that

[ShArP]

THEY WENT FOR THE INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS AS OF NOW!!!

w00t

[ShArP]

sorry for double post...