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Old 08-09-2007, 06:41 PM
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*Chewing on Ferrero Rocher Hazel nut Chocolate and shaking head reading the thread*

OK I'm done being politically correct so here is my two cents.

This war was based on false premise. Agreed? No one can disputes that. Agreed? But now since we're there to do some change I would recommend we do not try to implement our version of democracy there. Mark my word. It will not work!

Middle East is basically a tribal society. However, advanced they might become, Saudi Arabia, UAE, Kuwait, they will always put their tribe/clan 1st! So, what's the solution? 1stly, do not interfere in their way of life and inject foreign concepts. This will lead to more anarchy! Iraq and Afghanistan area good example this mistake.

Do the sensible thing and get out of there. Let them sort their own matters. There will be initial chaos and there will be jockeying for power by local powers but we have our own decaying infra structure to fix! Oh wait! Maybe we can bomb that as well so Haliburton can get a non-contested under the table contract to "rebuild" it as well! Enough said!
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Old 08-09-2007, 08:59 PM
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ok, true, war may never end, but another thing that is sure as **** never going to happen how that country functions as a whole. they lack the tradition, and democracy will never work there.

and for the sake of my membeship at this site, im don't posting in this thread.
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Old 08-09-2007, 10:09 PM
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Nice post edge, and nice words Killer.
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Old 08-09-2007, 10:26 PM
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i saw this..i guess it was written by Jay Leno, i think it kinda applies to this thread

its a great read, well worth the time

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Jay Leno wrote this; it's the Jay Leno we don't often see....

The other day I was reading Newsweek magazine and came across some poll data I found rather hard to believe. It must be true given the source
right?

The Newsweek poll alleges that 67 percent of Americans are unhappy with the direction the country is headed and 69 percent of the country is
unhappy with the performance of the president. In essence 2/3s of the citizenry just isn't happy and want a change.

So being the knuckle dragger I am, I started thinking, ''What we are so unhappy about?''

Is it that we have electricity and running water 24 hours a day, 7 days a week?? Is our unhappiness the result of having air conditioning in the summer
and heating in the winter? Could it be that 95.4 percent of these unhappy folks have a job? Maybe it is the ability to walk into a grocery
store at any time and see more food in moments than Darfur has seen in the last year?

Maybe it is the ability to drive from the Pacific Ocean to the Atlantic Ocean without having to present identification papers as we move through
each state. Or possibly the hundreds of clean and safe motels we would find along the way that can provide temporary shelter I guess having
thousands of restaurants with varying cuisine from around the world is just not good enough. Or could it be that when we wreck our car,
emergency workers show up and provide services to help all and even send a helicopter to take you to the hospital.

Perhaps you are one of the 70 percent of Americans who own a home. You may be upset with knowing that in the unfortunate case of a fire, a group of
trained firefighters will appear in moments and use top notch equipment to extinguish! th e flames thus saving you, your family and your belongings.

Or if, while at home watching one of your many flat screen TVs, a burglar or prowler intrudes, an officer equipped with a gun and a bullet-proof vest
will come to defend you and your family against attack or loss.

This all in the backdrop of a neighborhood free of bombs or militias raping and pillaging the residents. Neighborhoods where 90 percent of
teenagers own cell phones and computers.

How about the complete religious, social and political freedoms we enjoy that are the envy of everyone in the world

Maybe that is what has 67 percent of you folks unhappy.

Fact is, we are the largest group of ungrateful, spoiled brats the world has ever seen. No wonder the world loves the U.S., yet has a great
disdain for its citizens. They see us for what we are. The most blessed people in the world who do nothing but complain about what we don't have,
and what we hate about the country instead of thanking the good Lord we live here.

I know, I know. What about the president who took us into war and has no plan to get us out. The president who has a measly 31 percent
approval rating.

Is this the same president who guided the nation in the dark days after 9/11? The president that cut taxes to bring an economy out of recession?
Could this be the same guy who has been called every name in the book for succeeding in keeping all the spoiled ungrateful brats safe from
terrorist attacks?

The commander in chief of an all-volunteer army that is out there defending you and me? Did you hear how bad the President is on the news or
talk show?

Did this news affect you so much, make you so unhappy you couldn't take a look around for yourself and see all the good things and be glad?

Think about it..... are you upset at the President? because he actually caused you personal pain OR is it because the "Media" told you he was
failing to kiss your sorry ungrateful behind every day?

Make no mistake about it. The troops in Iraq and Afghanistan have volunteered to serve, and in many cases may have died for your freedom.
There is currently no draft in this country. They didn't have to go.

They are able to refuse to go and end up with either a ''general'' discharge, an ''other than honorable'' discharge or, worst case scenario,
a ''dishonorable'' discharge after a few days in the brig.

So why then the flat-out discontentment in the minds of 69 percent of Americans? Say what you want but I blame it on the media. If it bleeds
it leads and they specialize in bad news. Everybody will watch a car crash with blood and guts. How many will watch kids selling lemonade at
the corner?

The media knows this and media outlets are for-profit corporations. They offer what sells, and when criticized, try to defend their actions by
"justifying" them in one way or another. Just ask why they tried to allow a murderer like O.J. Simpson to write a book about how he didn't kill his
wife, but if he did he would have done it this way......Insane!

Stop buying the negativism you are fed everyday by the media. Shut off the TV, burn Newsweek, and use the New York Times for the bottom of your
bird cage.Then start being grateful for all we have as a country. There is exponentially more good than bad.

We are among the most blessed people on Earth and should thank God several times a day, or at least be thankful and appreciative."

"With hurricanes, tornados, fires out of control, mud? slides, flooding severe thunderstorms tearing up the country from one end to another, and
with the threat of bird flu and terrorist attacks,? "Are we sure this is a good time to take God out of the Pledge of Allegiance?"
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Old 08-09-2007, 10:35 PM
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thank's Tril0gy

that was good to read and know about

i have to greed the news media is more about the bad then the good news.

it bring in rating and people to them to watch thier channels or news sites. it about money and ads prices bring shown on their Channels.

most news group people can careless about a hospital being build were they get draw in to a news about a mass bomb going off in some city/township some place.

news media is more like
2% good news
98% some type of bad news coverage
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Although DD's got a point, I would it would be a bad idea to withdrawl troops from Iraq. All those years the troops spent in Iraq, would be a bit of a waste. All those soldiers' lives wasted on something they didn't complete. Although on the other hand, you did help a lot of people in the country, etc.

I hope what I said hasn't offended anyone. I sound a bit too young to be talking about this stuff.

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