Kill Em All

[atholon]

You guys crack me up

I love how everything is the bush administration's fault.

I think they are doing an OK job and I am so glad that Kerry lost. What do you expect a president to do when your country has the biggest terrorist attack in the past 50 years? Just sit there and do nothing?

[Lakie]

I didnt say that (if your refering to me), the donald rumsfled point just came to mind...

And there is a significasnt amout of people outside the US that thiunk that 9-11 wouldnt have happened had the supreme court have ruled in favour of Gore in 2000. I think thats pushing it a little to far, but the report i read put figures as high as 80%

Regardless, what does Iraq have to do with 9-11? If we were debating the finer points of invading Afghasitan id understand but iraq??

[atholon]

The whole point was that Iraq had links to alQueda or however you spell it. The reason we went in there was because they were viewed as a threat. WITH repeated warnings from the US and UN. You know how many times those wepons inspectors got the run around? I can remember a ton over the years.

Seems like "Everyone" thinks that we went in there for oil. Why would we go in there for oil? We have Kuwait!!!

Edit: That seems very smart, invade a country to take over their oil, with no thought that France or Germany would give a hoot...far fetched if you ask me.

[SilentTrigger]

Originally posted by atholon
The whole point was that Iraq had links to alQueda or however you spell it. The reason we went in there was because they were viewed as a threat. WITH repeated warnings from the US and UN. You know how many times those wepons inspectors got the run around? I can remember a ton over the years.

Seems like "Everyone" thinks that we went in there for oil. Why would we go in there for oil? We have Kuwait!!!

Edit: That seems very smart, invade a country to take over their oil, with no thought that France or Germany would give a hoot...far fetched if you ask me.

I haven't said (while being awake) anything about bush that I can remember

The point is that Iraq has links to Al Qaeda now, Bin Ladin and Saddam hated each other becuase their different views on religion. BL is a religion fanatic, S didn't care much about, if any, about religion and this pissed off BL. Quite interesting actually. Saddam was aksed to give UN a list of his posessed weapons and allow inspections with granted access, it took long time and as usuall he agreed one day before the (if i remember it correctly, was some time since i read those documents) deadline, this is something Saddam always did.

What grounds USA had for the invation of Iraq I'm not sure, but I'm not sure it was those reasons you state, atleast not according to those UN documents I've read over the years on this issue.

[atholon]

I remember him going really far over those deadlines, by the time he would allow the weapons inspectors in they would have all the arms moved.

BTW I never said YOU said anything about bush. I just said that it is a common thing to blame bush. You as in Liberals is what I meant. My bad for categorizing.

[Lakie]

OBL and saddam are linked? What did think thinking go something along the lines of

OBL/Afghanistan is in the Middle East
Iraq is in the Middle East

OBL/Afghanistan is an enemy
Saddam is and enemy

Therefore they must have connections!!??

This is a concept that alot of people cant grasp, but OBL dislikes Saddam as much as the US, infact he said so on more than one occasion, he actually supported the invasion of iraq iirc. The "An enemy of an enemy is a friend of mine" way of thinking dosent apply to everyone, typically its only western countries that think like that.

And the UN deadlines for all those conditions saddam did give to the UN in time, the US jumped up and down when IT didnt have them before the expiry date, but Iraq gave documents to the UN on the expiry date in Iraq. But the UN went through them and checked them before giving them to the member nations...

[atholon]

If he supported it then why is he helping them attack US troops? I would be all for the US troops comming in there and then leaving fast.

If they were smart and stopped the violence...we'd be out of there a lot faster.

[Lakie]

Hes not helping the Iraqis, i havent seen any evidence to support that. There are Al Qaueda people in Iraq, but thats more of an opportunity thing i reckon, think about it, theres a whole stack of Americans a couple of countries up.....

That or by sending Al Quaeda folks in he prolonging the invasion of iraq, which is what he would want....


Interestingly, some people siad that they nearly got OBL but he had more fighters around him than expected and had to pull out, theyll probably capture him soon....

[atholon]

I hope so, but there will always be another OBL.

[KU43]

How are their buddys? The terrorists? Hope that you are not serious!


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If a wounded terrorist can get to the Syira border the french, free of charge, will fly them to france, doctor their wounds in a french hospital, then return them home to butcher more women and childern.
__________________________________________________ ________ And there is a significasnt amout of people outside the US that thiunk that 9-11 wouldnt have happened had the supreme court have ruled in favour of Gore in 2000.
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who told you that , hillary or kerry? if you lived here i'll bet if you saw first hand how these little hitlers try to take are rights and give more and more power to the government you would see things a different way. look at the way they fillerbusted the appointment of federal judges whose only fault was beliving in and applying laws based on the consititution. that because it is the only way left for them to force socilism on us. and to prove my point look at the findings those socilist four supreme judges did last week. they went againest every fiber of our bill of rights. now anyone with a little cash can steal your land with the government's blessing. or the way they say" this is the way they do it in europe." i have never read in any doctrine of this country saying " because they do it that way in europe" most people with 1/2 a brain here have had it with the democratics trying to shove socilism down their throuts. and all the lying are media did saying how close the vote was this last election didnt change the facts that President Bush won by over 4 million votes. the democratics in this country are dead and the high court is the only thing that can save them and it aint happening

[Lakie]

Just on the election of bush in 2004.

I have no disptues about that result, however i do not believe that bush would have either run or won in 2004 had Gore have rightfully assumed the presidency after the 2000 election. It was only the partisan supreme court (both sides), who completely outside of their jurisdiction found in favor of Bush in Gore et al. vs. Bush et al.

[KU43]

gore didnt win as much as the media would have wanted too. dont belive anything any of our t.v. or newspapers say . bottom line Bush won in flordia and Bush won the election. no mater how many times they counted the votes it was still the same outcome.

[atholon]

Gore would have run this country into the ground. I am glad he didn't.

KU43 you are sooo right

[Lakie]

I didnt really watch the media reports post 2000 election, i have read the actual cases (Gore v Harris, Gore v Bush etc etc) and formed my own opinions. But im not going to debate you in this thread about the 2000 election, but by all means start a new thread. This topic is a favourite of mine, i did my major piece on it in politics...

[SilentTrigger]

Originally posted by atholon
I remember him going really far over those deadlines, by the time he would allow the weapons inspectors in they would have all the arms moved.

BTW I never said YOU said anything about bush. I just said that it is a common thing to blame bush. You as in Liberals is what I meant. My bad for categorizing.

I belive in socialism so liberal would be kinda wrong way to discribe me I'm more of the oposite

The rest was answered by Mike!

"If a wounded terrorist can get to the Syira border the french, free of charge, will fly them to france, doctor their wounds in a french hospital, then return them home to butcher more women and childern."

Any official source of this, or was this the media you hate so much?

[KU43]

Carl Marx said Socialism is a necessary step to Communism. Being a socialist you must want the government to tell you where to live, where to work, how much of this or that you can have, and how many ply tissue you use to wipe your butt. You can just kick back and let them do all your thinking for you. We have socialist here in America but we call them welfair receptionist. California is full of them. That's why I moved to Arizona.

[Hellfighter]

France don't care as long they get payoff for what ever they can get they look the other way.

as for the Geneva convention it don't cover terrorist is not under the Geneva convention rules, but the USA and other will still follow the guild line for it.

as it stands they may get their day in court anyways they are voting on it.

they are terrorist and we are not going to get that low. there a right way and there a wrong way doing thing we try to be honorable about thing. terrorist is a fact of life they will kill for the joy of it they have no feeling in the matter of it.

[BADDOG]

Originally posted by KU43
Carl Marx said Socialism is a necessary step to Communism. Being a socialist you must want the government to tell you where to live, where to work, how much of this or that you can have, and how many ply tissue you use to wipe your butt. You can just kick back and let them do all your thinking for you. We have socialist here in America but we call them welfair receptionist. California is full of them. That's why I moved to Arizona.

Just for the record bro.

"Socialism is the political belief that the state should own industries on behalf of the people and that everyone should be equal."

"Communism is the doctrine that the state should control the means of production and that there should be no private property."

Both of these definitions are very simplistic descriptions of these political ideologies and only Socialism has come near to working and even then it allows for Capitalism to flourish.

"Democracy is a system of government in which the people choose their leaders by voting for them in elections"

Again this is a very simplistic description of another much more complicated form of government.

Some say that the word "chequebook" should be put in front of the word Democracy as those with money dominate all Democracies no matter how the people vote.

It is well to remember that history teaches us that any country that allows it's poor no "welfare" provision is in grave danger of becoming a Fascist state with all that implies.

I am a firm believer in Democracy but like all other political systems it is open to corruption and deceit from those in power, Communism can never work because it does not allow for the greed in human nature like wise Socialism cannot work as people demand less tax and more spending power.

One could almost say, one extreme to another and neither works or ever will!

Regards

[SilentTrigger]

Carl Marx said Socialism is a necessary step to Communism

Your point is?

Being a socialist you must want the government to tell you where to live, where to work, how much of this or that you can have, and how many ply tissue you use to wipe your butt.

There are several types of socialism, in the extreem socialist way, that would be an issue, or wait actually in communism that would be an issue

You can just kick back and let them do all your thinking for you.

Err no? You have to work, if you know anything about that
Lets draw communism, as you like to refere to that in some twisted reason, the industry was controled, yes, that didnt mean everyone sat on their chair and watched, that wouldn't have worked would it?

We have socialist here in America but we call them welfair receptionist. California is full of them.

Err okey, i'm not really following your point here. Might it be that they actually are crawing on the wefair and then not doing anything? In what way is that connected to socialism?


I live in a socialist country where the market is controling the industries, and we are (supprise) in chage of how many bits of tissue paper i want to use when wipeing my butt, thank you for the consern though

Just because you like socialism doesn't mean you like the extreem form of it, i think you too quickly draw lines between socialism and communism


Socialism cannot work as people demand less tax and more spending power.

As I said there ware several forms of socialism, the above is true in the exreem form of socialism (closley bordering Communism) simpler and less extreem ways of sicialsim do work

"Socialism is the political belief that the state should own industries on behalf of the people and that everyone should be equal."


Indeed!

[KU43]

there is one form of socialism and it's the government telling the people how and when. when your government fools a few more like they have fooled you then they will tell you where and presto changeo your a communist and the government will take care of all your needs and none of your wants until your economy collapses. at that point you'll have to do for yourself and wont knew how.the US has bailed out the USSR five times because communism dont work. no insentive, no production, no economy. you can talk till your blue in the face but without any facts of a country becoming rich turning to a socialist government it's just talk.