Guns

[Lakie]

its selective reporting at its best, read the whole study

[DevilDog#1]

Originally posted by Mike
its selective reporting at its best, read the whole study

And some common sense ...

[SilentTrigger]

"More fundamentally, Dr. Kates and Dr. Mauser demonstrate that other developed nations such as Norway, Finland, Germany, France and Denmark maintain high rates of gun ownership, yet possess murder rates lower than other developed nations in which gun ownership is much more restricted."

Those countries have extreemly strict gun laws. Not even the police is allowed to bear arms in Finland for example. All the nordic countires share simular gun laws. German and French gun laws are also really strict. So I'm not sure if they read a comic book regarding that or just turned around facts to make their case work.

[Stephen]

While I was in Germany for 2 years I never heard of a gun related crime. I was in some very seedy places while i was there and even the Turkish Mob didn't carry guns around. Most peddy robbers in the states don't carry guns. If the guy is carrying a gun he is probably more than what he seems and you won't get to your gun in time anyways.

I own a lot of weapons but all of my weapons have the firing pin removed and the ammo kept separate. Weapons are not a joke most people think they know what they are doing or think they are big enough to pull the trigger when a robber comes in the house. But i will tell you now most people can't pull the trigger when the time comes you will freeze or fire blindly and hurt your family. And you only end up hurting yourself and your family from a robber that would have left you alone and just taken your stuff. And unless you have shot at someone I don't want to hear your response because you don't know what you are talking about.

[Hellfighter]

very true

i remember a case that gone to court

a guy robe a gas station and teller who had a store own gun (shotgun) pull it out after they robber said give me all the cash or I'll kill you.

hot shot teller think he had the upper hand pull the loaded shotgun out and shot a big hole into the robber chest. the teller is doing life in some jail house now days.

freaking DA call it a over kill

owner of the shotgun got 6mo for letting others use his shotgun on the work place.

the dead guy family got like (i think) 500,000.00 out of it a half a mill for it.

if you going to kill some one guns not the asker better build a fart nuke soo much better

[SilentTrigger]

Originally posted by Killerbee
While I was in Germany for 2 years I never heard of a gun related crime. I was in some very seedy places while i was there and even the Turkish Mob didn't carry guns around. Most peddy robbers in the states don't carry guns. If the guy is carrying a gun he is probably more than what he seems and you won't get to your gun in time anyways.

I own a lot of weapons but all of my weapons have the firing pin removed and the ammo kept separate. Weapons are not a joke most people think they know what they are doing or think they are big enough to pull the trigger when a robber comes in the house. But i will tell you now most people can't pull the trigger when the time comes you will freeze or fire blindly and hurt your family. And you only end up hurting yourself and your family from a robber that would have left you alone and just taken your stuff. And unless you have shot at someone I don't want to hear your response because you don't know what you are talking about.

I love that response

[ShArP]

Originally posted by KU43
If I lived in Penn. I would fight this law with everything I had. All this law will do is set up a work safe inviorment for the criminal. He will have no fear to enter a home. Or worst yet a group of felons enter your home

There is a new crime that started south of the border and is now hitting America. You are kidnapped from an ATM and made to drain your bank account. Your family is then called and told to bring any thing of value if you want to see your love one again. Most of the time the love one is killed anyway. So watch your back at ATM machines.

actually i don't believe that i looked into it there isn't a law to prohibit guns out because my dad leaves his guns out when he is shooting at ground hogs lol

[Mauser 98K]

thats the prob ther KB, i havnt got any prob with killing some1, tell ya the truth i have more of a problem killing a dog than killing most people, and i have been shot at by a neighbor, i didnt really care much for the situation, yes it made me nervious and if i was old enough at the time to have a gun i would have killed that sombich, the prob is they feed most people this thou shalt not kill from the grave but in truth it is thou shalt not commit murder, killing some1 that is trying to hurt me doesnt bother me at all.

in fact, i have pulled b4 and was going to kill but sucker droped the knife and ran off, was when i was working as a stock clerk, i had a little 38 derenger made by cobra arms, a guy came in 1 day saying something about the cashier had jiped him or something but all the numbers checked out so we could do nothing, he got mad started to throw things at the cashier, me and the boss man tried to get him to leave peacefully , he reached into his pocket said dont make me use this, we thought he was jut trying to scare us so we contunued to try to get him to leave while the cashier was calling the cops, well he brandished a small pocket knife and said that he didnt give a **** he will kill me and kill every1 even the cops if they tried to do anything to him.

we stoped for a second and he acted like he was about to lunge at another clerk that happened to pop up behind him so i drawd on him and was in the process of pulling the hammer back and taking the safty off when he ran out the door, i fully intended to shoot his ass but the coward ran off, i might have stoped some1 from getting hurt that day with my gun.

and have shot at some1 trying to brake into our garage, might have peppered him but never saw the dude again so dont really know, dang #4 shot isnt worth bat crap further than 45yrds.

it is my idea that when we are born we start to die, we will all end up taking the eternal nap, wether it happens now or later it doesnt matter for well all be just as dead, all we can do is try to live as good as we can and help others live as good as they can.

and getting scared ****less at the idea that you might have to kill some1 or ya might get killed yourself wont make it any better for ya, get scared, run and hide in a hole, but you wont live any longer than when it is your time.

if i can put a 38 special to my dogs head that i have had for 14 years played with and let sleep on bed and it become part of my family and such and blow its brains out without blinking i have no prob with doing it to some1 i dont like.

dog was ate up with cancer if ya must know.

and what do ya expect me to do if some1 does walk into my house and start going thru my stuff and taking it? ill be damed if im just gona sit back and let some lowlife take what i have erned thru hard work, and even of they arnt gona hurt you think later down road, they might hurt some1 you know or love, even some1 you dont know, taking them out of the eqation is a service to the community in my opinion.

[Mauser 98K]

Originally posted by Chief ADFP
very true

i remember a case that gone to court

a guy robe a gas station and teller who had a store own gun (shotgun) pull it out after they robber said give me all the cash or I'll kill you.

hot shot teller think he had the upper hand pull the loaded shotgun out and shot a big hole into the robber chest. the teller is doing life in some jail house now days.

freaking DA call it a over kill

owner of the shotgun got 6mo for letting others use his shotgun on the work place.

the dead guy family got like (i think) 500,000.00 out of it a half a mill for it.

if you going to kill some one guns not the asker better build a fart nuke soo much better

what city was this in?

thing is ya gota prove that your life was in imediat danger b4 you can shoot some1, them just comeing in and saying theyare gona kill ya isnt probable cause acording to the law, they have to brandish a weapon or atleast act like they had a weapon, if they just acting like it drawm and if they try to use whatever they claim they got then ya can blowem away.

in alabama we got a law that is called the deadly force law, that says that if im in fear for my life and can prove they was gona cause me harm then they cant do much to me if i do killem.

[Hellfighter]

can't remember what city or state it happen it was like 20-25years when it happen. was big on the news back then.

seem to think it happen in one of the states west coast

[KU43]

You're a bit too paranoid...


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Oh how soon we forget Bill Clinton's Jack Booted Thugs who smashed into honest American's homes and killing them as they sleep. Or the FBI sniper who shot Vicky Weaver in the head as she held her baby. I have watched over and over the BATF burning men, women and childern at Waco.

And here is something not many know the three BATF agents killed in the gun room were all three x bodyguards of Bills. Do you remember the agent going up the ladder that shot himself in the leg but still went up the ladder. After the other 3 men entered the gun room I have film of him tossing a gernade into the room then firing an automatic weapon into the room. At that point you see rounds being fired back at him. His spray of bullets had no reguard for his 3 fellow officers in the room

The round he shot himself with was a hollow core that our government outlawed. It was the new and improved one. Our government was now making the round out of steal and razor sharp allowing to pierce body armor

I've seen vidio of FBI bosting of putting honest Americans away for 25 years on weapons charges that added up to a simple gun malfuntion.
Those G-men went as far as taking an honest gun dealer, who Colt thought so highly of they custom made him an AR-15, raided his home and his sons home. The BATF held 3 generations of his family hostage all day and terrorised them. As the BATF were leaving one stomped to death part of a litter of pups of the family's dog. as the couple watched.

The Brady Bill, The Crime Bill, 100,000 new police, gun ban, FBI, BATF.Federal Marshall, 60,000 wire taps by the Clinton Whitehouse. N0t on terrorist but on American Citizens and groups as women Christans groups, Christan leaders as Jerry Farwell, and Pat Robertson, the NRA, and anyone else the Clintons plotted against. Selling of miltary secrets to China, Shraded papers, lost law ferm records, The Clintons dismantaling of the u.s. military.

Now this evil again we are faced. More evil that evil is evil if there be evil as evil can be evil and still have some evil left over, Hillary the Destroyer, disarm and bow down So it depends what the word paranoid is.

[SilentTrigger]

"Oh how soon we forget Bill Clinton's Jack Booted Thugs who smashed into honest American's homes and killing them as they sleep."

Can't forget something that I never remembered!

[Stephen]

KU were are you reading this stuff? provide links so I my be enlightened........

[ShArP]

Originally posted by Killerbee
KU were are you reading this stuff? provide links so I my be enlightened........

lol i was wondering the same thing because i was like, i never heard of this but i kept my mouth shut encase i missed something...

[Mauser 98K]

or what about this KU43, after huracane Katrinia, for all ya that dont know, martial law was declaired in louisiana, and police and other agencies went door to door throwing people on the floor at gunpoint and seizing their guns.

they threw a 78yr old grandmother on the floor and hit her in the head just to get her 38 revolver.


and information is controlled, that is probably why u have never heard of this stuff that KU was talking about, i have, ill try to find it , i got some of the links somewhere, ill postem when i findem.



ik here is a link to the randy weaver thing, also known as ruby ridge.
<<<<LINK HERE>>>

i got some more links here somewhere on waco and other places, ill try to post a vid of the seige at waco if i can convert from DVD to mpeg or such.

[SilentTrigger]

"they threw a 78yr old grandmother on the floor and hit her in the head just to get her 38 revolver."

Which she wouldn't of been if she'd given it to them? If this is even true.

[Mauser 98K]

yes it is true, and why would she just give it to them, she was a law abiding citizen that purchased the gun from a dealer leagaly, what rite did the gestapo, oh im sorry the police have of busting into her home with no warrent and taking her ability to protect herself, WHAT RIGHT DID THEY HAVE TO DO THAT?

thats the problem with some people, they belive the coalskuttle helmet crew are there to help them when in fact they are there to take their freedoms and enforce the police state.

i guess if some1 in all black and a skimask busted your door down you would crap yourself and submit, there was no knock on the door, there was no 1 identifying themselves, they had no insignia, and were wering masks, i dont know about you but i was always tought to shoot people like that, we called them burgliers and terrorist.

and there were active military being used in the policing force inside of louisiana, thst is a big breach of the constitution and bill or rights, under the posse comatatus act it is illeagle to use any military force as a policing force inside of the united states unless an executive order is signed, no order was signed and no order was requested,and even if a order is signed it can only be overridden temporarily, and that my freind is treason.

[KU43]

they threw a 78yr old grandmother on the floor and hit her in the head just to get her 38 revolver.
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and when this was brought to congress even Kerry voted that the people had their rights violated . Only 2 or 3 voted saying the government had the right to force citizens to give up their weapons. One of them was hillary rotten clinton. If she becomes president may God help us.

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KU were are you reading this stuff? provide links so I my be enlightened
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http://www.rickross.com/groups/waco.html#The%20Trial
http://www.etherzone.com/body.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruby_Ridge
http://www.alf.org/alfnews/alf58.shtml
http://www.justfacts.com/guncontrol.asp
http://www.americanthinker.com/2006/...es_called.html
if you want more I can dig through piles of old mags. soldier of fortune ran a artical every month called Slick Willie watch If you can find any read as many as you can. It will give you an idea of how his 8 years were one big crime spree.

The police that surrounded him when he signed the crime bill were paid and told they would be fired if they didn't show up.Bill posponed the signing of the bill to wait for a ship full of arms from Norinco and Polytect, Chine's arms builders to dock and unload.

[Chrispy]

I would have to agree with Killerbee earlier - with the people kill people, guns don't thing. I won't really go into the other stuff in this thread.

Chris

[ShArP]

Originally posted by Mauser 98K
or what about this KU43, after huracane Katrinia, for all ya that dont know, martial law was declaired in louisiana, and police and other agencies went door to door throwing people on the floor at gunpoint and seizing their guns.

they threw a 78yr old grandmother on the floor and hit her in the head just to get her 38 revolver.


and information is controlled, that is probably why u have never heard of this stuff that KU was talking about, i have, ill try to find it , i got some of the links somewhere, ill postem when i findem.

ok i want to see a link or something on this to see what you are telling us is true...

Originally posted by Mauser 98K
ik here is a link to the randy weaver thing, also known as ruby ridge.
<<<<LINK HERE>>>

i got some more links here somewhere on waco and other places, ill try to post a vid of the seige at waco if i can convert from DVD to mpeg or such.

and i saw a think on the National Geographic Channel or History Channel (Not sure which) about this and it is basically the same thing as what we are talking about...

Originally posted by Mauser 98K
yes it is true, and why would she just give it to them, she was a law abiding citizen that purchased the gun from a dealer leagaly, what rite did the gestapo, oh im sorry the police have of busting into her home with no warrent and taking her ability to protect herself, WHAT RIGHT DID THEY HAVE TO DO THAT?

thats the problem with some people, they belive the coalskuttle helmet crew are there to help them when in fact they are there to take their freedoms and enforce the police state.

i guess if some1 in all black and a skimask busted your door down you would crap yourself and submit, there was no knock on the door, there was no 1 identifying themselves, they had no insignia, and were wering masks, i dont know about you but i was always tought to shoot people like that, we called them burgliers and terrorist.

and there were active military being used in the policing force inside of louisiana, thst is a big breach of the constitution and bill or rights, under the posse comatatus act it is illeagle to use any military force as a policing force inside of the united states unless an executive order is signed, no order was signed and no order was requested,and even if a order is signed it can only be overridden temporarily, and that my freind is treason.

for 1 they need a warrant to bust down someones door and 2 GIVE US LINKS!!!