I wonder what the Iranians are up to?

[BADDOG]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/mid...st/4597738.stm

Is this ominous news do you think?


Regards

[Mauser 98K]

they are building nukes, we know that thay have atleast a prototype up and maby another in the works.
the US government knows they have them, the british government knows they hve them, thats why thay are talking about a possable invasion with iran.
but these crazy buggers in iran arnt scared of a nuke, most have never even seen a picture of nuke explosion and if invaded they might nuke their own soil and kill any invading forces.
thats why they need to deploy tacticle weapons aganst them at a distance b4 we invade.

[DevilDog#1]

It's nothing more than a ploy to hike the ratings ... "Fear" is the best way to control masses and distract from issues at home. We Americans are so predictable

[BADDOG]

Originally posted by DevilDog#1
It's nothing more than a ploy to hike the ratings ... "Fear" is the best way to control masses and distract from issues at home. We Americans are so predictable

I sincerely hope your right bro as the thought of the present Iranian government with their hands on nuclear weapons, especially after their presidents remarks about the destrucion of Israel, sends a chill down my spine!

Warm Regards

[ShArP]

i say bomb the hell out of them...

[DevilDog#1]

Originally posted by ShArP ™
i say bomb the hell out of them...

Iran is not a push over like Iraq and Afghanistan. That's the reason there has only been threats and no action.

[Webviper2006]

Originally posted by ShArP ™
i say bomb the hell out of them...

lol Yeah.

[Sal UK]

It'll come good, I hear Heaven is a slendid place....

The thing with all this is Russia and china, They are with Iran as its in their interests with the Oil.
And you cant say anything against them, as its the same with the West being the same with saudi Arabia.

I was watching the news and they said there is not much that anyone can do about Iran, Unless everyone is united.

I also think if everyone had stuck together on Iraq it would not have come to war, And a lot of people would be here with us today.

But were to far from perfect, We all live on this one tiny planet, There is nowhere else.

Cant everyone just swallow their Pride and say, You know what this is silly, We kill eachother, and only the killed find out the truth of who was right, and who was wrong.

We will all get to the truth in our own time, we dont need a bullet, A knife, A sword, We all die and we will find out ourselves.

God Bless Everyone not just the few.


Sal.

[DevilDog#1]

Sal you need to read Noam Chomsky's "Hegemony or Survival: America's Quest For Global Dominance"

People call the writer loony but he makes complete sense to anyone with tiny bit of objectivety left in their little gray cells

[Sal UK]

Originally posted by DevilDog#1
Sal you need to read Noam Chomsky's "Hegemony or Survival: America's Quest For Global Dominance"

People call the writer loony but he makes complete sense to anyone with tiny bit of objectivety left in their little gray cells

There is one problem there though DD, I cant Read. That may sound funny to you? But I cant sit and read a book it just dont mean anything to me, I dont know if you notice when I post The Grammer is all messed up, I try and do my best to post things and it does take me a while to read things...

But If you could try and give some quotes from the book like Important parts that means something to you.

I was never anygood at school, Thats what happens to people that are bullied you cant consentrate on your work or whats going on around you, You are too busy working out which way to go to get home at the end of the day, And if I didnt do the work it meant detension so I was Safe...

Sorry for taking this off topic, But I just wanted to explain and maybe see some of your quotes m8.


Sal.

[DevilDog#1]

Just a quick paragraph from one of his other books, "Imperial Ambitions:Conversations On The Post-9/11 World" Chapter 2, Page 33.

"On May 1, 1985, Regan declared a national emergency in the United States because of the threat to the security of the United States posed by the government of Nicaragua, which was two days' drive from Harlingen, Texas, and was planning to take over the hemisphere. If you take a look at that Executive Order, which was renewed annually as a way of building support for the U.S. War in Nicaragua, it has almost the same wording as the October 2002 congressional declaration on Iraq. Just replace Nicaragua with Iraq."

[Sal UK]

Thanks DD, so its a case of the saying History repeating itsself.

Man I hope they find a habbitable planet soon, Ill volanteer to go first...

[Lakie]

Sal, the guys that wrote the book DD was talking about is Noam Chomsky a professor of Linguistics of all things, anyway he does heaps and heaps of lectures on a whole variety of different things.

http://www.chomskytorrents.org/ this site is recomended by the official noam chomsky site, so it all above board.

Being an academic, he dosent exactly have a dynamic lecture method but they are interesting to listen too none the less...

[BADDOG]

I think this is a difficult problem for the West to deal with regarding Iran. We already have many enemies in the Arab world because of the on going conflict in Iraq and it's understandable that there is reluctance on the part of many politicians in the West to become imbroiled in yet another war in that unstable region.

If Iran develops nucear weapons will they, (taking into account the statements of their current president in regard to the "destruction" of the state of Israel), use them to attack Israel and can we stand by and allow this to happen? Will Israel take unilateral action in the region to prevent this development?

If we do nothing do we risk a future conflict with much more terrible consequences for the Mid East and for the wider world? I don't know the answers any more than the next man or woman and I do hope that this problem can be resolved by negotiation rather than conflict but I do think that U.N. sanctions will be imposed, (as a number of European states are already calling for), and I hope that this will suffice to bring Iran back to the the negotiation table.

Warm Regards

[Trojan]

The youth of Iran are not our enemies people! It is my belief that 60% of the Iranian people are 40 years old or younger. They are fascinated with the West including America. They will not tolerate a war with the west before they take over thier own Country. If they love us, we should love them. It's thier leaders in control of the youth. We can't just carpet bomb with incenderaries. If we bomb the government, the Iranian youth and the people of Iran they need to know it is because we want to bring them long term acceptance and peace throughout the world to rid them of the men in power that jeapordize thier existance on this planet. We must pray for them before we send them to thier maker..

[DevilDog#1]

Originally posted by BADDOG
I think this is a difficult problem for the West to deal with regarding Iran. We already have many enemies in the Arab world because of the on going conflict in Iraq and it's understandable that there is reluctance on the part of many politicians in the West to become imbroiled in yet another war in that unstable region.

If Iran develops nucear weapons will they, (taking into account the statements of their current president in regard to the "destruction" of the state of Israel), use them to attack Israel and can we stand by and allow this to happen? Will Israel take unilateral action in the region to prevent this development?

If we do nothing do we risk a future conflict with much more terrible consequences for the Mid East and for the wider world? I don't know the answers any more than the next man or woman and I do hope that this problem can be resolved by negotiation rather than conflict but I do think that U.N. sanctions will be imposed, (as a number of European states are already calling for), and I hope that this will suffice to bring Iran back to the the negotiation table.

Warm Regards

Your logic in the last para might work. However, the ones who speak toughest are the ones who can make the peace too, i.e. Sharon in Israel and Vaj Paee in India. Both belong(ed) to the extremist parties in their respective countries who managed to make peace strides never made by centerist or leftwing governments in the past.

However, sanctions I must say, are more counter productive than productive, i.e. rich still eat the same Roasted chicken while the poor suffer. Pakistan and India are working on an agreement with Iran to work the Gas deal. Both have managed to ignore calls from US and EU to not to implement the pipeline plan. India, however, is also negotiating with US to get some Nuclear Power plants while Pakistan is getting the same deal from China. But these deals are indepenent of Iran's gas pipeline project.

The "Democratic" movement in Iran by "students" has been crushed and their leaders are in prisons all over Iran.

Interestingly, though in order to create a negative perception of the Irani government different reports in media are being leaked. One about drug addicts of "brown sugar" was in news recently. Thus, the process of legitimizing any possible plans for future invasion are already underway. I was reading somewhere that the President currently has the power to by pass the Congress in order to go ahead with YET another invasion. I'm just waiting to see the "informative" briefing in UN Security from current Secretary of State. I wonder who will make the Power Point presentation. I hear Pixar is looking for a defence project too.

Just my humble observations.

[DevilDog#1]

Originally posted by nøvã trøj ™
The youth of Iran are not our enemies people! It is my belief that 60% of the Iranian people are 40 years old or younger. They are fascinated with the West including America. They will not tolerate a war with the west before they take over thier own Country. If they love us, we should love them. It's thier leaders in control of the youth. We can't just carpet bomb with incenderaries. If we bomb the government, the Iranian youth and the people of Iran they need to know it is because we want to bring them long term acceptance and peace throughout the world to rid them of the men in power that jeapordize thier existance on this planet. We must pray for them before we send them to thier maker..

I love the military logic nowadays. Dump all the old ammo on some country to destory their infrastructure, then secretly give reconstruction contracts to your pet companies right around the time invasion starts. Too bad general public can not see that same vicious circle being repeated since 1990 till now.

[ShArP]

o crap i thought it said iraq lol mybad guys for saying bomb the hell out of them lol

[BADDOG]

I don't think we can allow any government with such extreme views and led by religious bigotry such as the government of Iran to develop nuclear weapons. If we stand by and let them reach a stage where they can actually use them driven by their own zealots for a "jihad" or "holy war" we may all suffer far greater consequences.

Again I hope moderate heads in Iran, ( despite the more liberal leadership being either suppressed or imprisoned) can be persuaded not to go down this path as we may all live to regret this decision on the Iranian governments part.

There's appears to be a conspiracy theorist amongst us who seems to think that the West and in particular one certain political party is trying to engineer some sort of conflict in this region but considering the growing unpopularity of the present regional conflict I would suggest this would be tantamount to political suicide for that political party for many years to come should a further crisis develop into a full blown war.

A theocratic government is always a dangerous government as it inevitably believes that "god", (what ever name he goes by), is on their side.

Regards