Patriot Act extension

[DevilDog#1]

Anyone else following it?

[Chels]

Lol I have know clue what the patriot act is

[DevilDog#1]

Originally posted by Pixie
Lol I have know clue what the patriot act is

Word is "no"

I guess it's as good of a time read up on it no?

[VooDoo-]

basiclly it gives the government the right to eves drop on you

[Chels]

Well im no american lol, :S II guess i should listen when im going to EFHS lmao

[DevilDog#1]

Originally posted by VooDoo-
basiclly it gives the government the right to eves drop on you

Gets worse

[Chels]

......Whats the worse part lol

[Trojan]

I don't like the PA anymore.

[DevilDog#1]

Changes US into police state... Secret detention center, indefinite detensions without any charges, etc...

[Trojan]

lol, finger on the button!

[DevilDog#1]

The proposed Safe Act, sponsored by Republican Sen. Larry Craig of Idaho, appears to worry the Bush administration the most. It has 18 co-sponsors totaling nearly one-fifth of the Senate and would slap limits on current police practices relating to surveillance and search warrants.

Read more here

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[Lakie]

this is exaclty what you all (well, alot of you) think the 2nd amendment was for, wheres the civil war??

[DevilDog#1]

Originally posted by BB/Mike*MFA*
this is exaclty what you all (well, alot of you) think the 2nd amendment was for, wheres the civil war??

[Trojan]

Mississippi was the second state to secede from the union. Mississippi seceded on January 9, 1861. First was South Carolina.

Qoutes about the American Government in "Causes of Secession for Mississippi"

It seeks not to elevate or to support the slave, but to destroy his present condition without providing a better.

It has invaded a State, and invested with the honors of martyrdom the wretch whose purpose was to apply flames to our dwellings, and the weapons of destruction to our lives.

It has broken every compact into which it has entered for our security.

It has given indubitable evidence of its design to ruin our agriculture, to prostrate our industrial pursuits and to destroy our social system.

It knows no relenting or hesitation in its purposes; it stops not in its march of aggression, and leaves us no room to hope for cessation or for pause.

It has recently obtained control of the Government, by the prosecution of its unhallowed schemes, and destroyed the last expectation of living together in friendship and brotherhood.

Utter subjugation awaits us in the Union, if we should consent longer to remain in it. It is not a matter of choice, but of necessity. We must either submit to degradation, and to the loss of property worth four billions of money, or we must secede from the Union framed by our fathers, to secure this as well as every other species of property. For far less cause than this, our fathers separated from the Crown of England.

Our decision is made. We follow their footsteps. We embrace the alternative of separation; and for the reasons here stated, we resolve to maintain our rights with the full consciousness of the justice of our course, and the undoubting belief of our ability to maintain it. "



Mississippi Ordinance of Secession

To dissolve the union between the State of Mississippi and other States united with her under the compact entitled "The Constitution of the United States of America."


The people of the State of Mississippi, in convention assembled, do ordain and declare, and it is hereby ordained and declared, as follows, to wit:


The Seceding Mississippi Congressional Delegation, Including Jefferson Davis. January 9, 1861 (click on Illustration for enlarged view)

Section 1. That all the laws and ordinances by which the said State of Mississippi became a member of the Federal Union of the United States of America be, and the same are hereby, repealed, and that all obligations on the part of the said State or the people thereof to observe the same be withdrawn, and that the said State doth hereby resume all the rights, functions, and powers which by any of said laws or ordinances were conveyed to the Government of the said United States, and is absolved from all the obligations, restraints, and duties incurred to the said Federal Union, and shall from henceforth be a free, sovereign, and independent State.

Sec. 2. That so much of the first section of the seventh article of the constitution of this State as requires members of the Legislature and all officers, executive and judicial, to take an oath or affirmation to support the Constitution of the United States be, and the same is hereby, abrogated and annulled.

Sec. 3. That all rights acquired and vested under the Constitution of the United States, or under any act of Congress passed, or treaty made, in pursuance thereof, or under any law of this State, and not incompatible with this ordinance, shall remain in force and have the same effect as if this ordinance had not been passed.

Sec. 4. That the people of the State of Mississippi hereby consent to form a federal union with such of the States as may have seceded or may secede from the Union of the United States of America, upon the basis of the present Constitution of the said United States, except such parts thereof as embrace other portions than such seceding States.

Thus ordained and declared in convention the 9th day of January, in the year of our Lord 1861.

[DevilDog#1]

mmm What does that has to do with Patriot Act and Safe Act?

[Trojan]

My point, seperatists can be traced.

[BADDOG]

I don't like the idae of any goverment knowing to much about it's citizens and as an ex civil servant it never failed to amaze me how much information the U.K. government has on it's own citizens.

I know we need to keep tabs on potential terrorist and other threats but to think that four government computer systems have information on virtually everyone in Britain is quite scary.

Warm Regards

[Dr. Bullet]

Originally posted by BB/Mike*MFA*
this is exaclty what you all (well, alot of you) think the 2nd amendment was for, wheres the civil war??

Stay tuned, it just might happen

[DevilDog#1]

Originally posted by BADDOG
I don't like the idae of any goverment knowing to much about it's citizens and as an ex civil servant it never failed to amaze me how much information the U.K. government has on it's own citizens.

I know we need to keep tabs on potential terrorist and other threats but to think that four government computer systems have information on virtually everyone in Britain is quite scary.

Warm Regards

British government wants to know too much. Even which brand of condom you use.

[DevilDog#1]

Originally posted by Dr. Bullet
Stay tuned, it just might happen

I know who i'm going after!!!