wish some of these people get a clue about oil

[Hellfighter]

it don't matter how much raw oil we get into the country its how much is made into fuel thats is the trouble with price of fuel today jacka** holding back to keep the price of fuel up higher.

we can get trillion of raw oil in the country? it don't mean a thing if it not change into fuel to make money off of if it not made into fuel to start with.

getting raw oil in is a cool thing but will not change a thing if there not a lot of it made into fuel. stock market price the fuel not oil on how much is made into fuel.

trillion gallion of oil don't mean a thing.
count on how much fuel is made is what you get charge for at at the pump not oil.

Senate rejects drilling in Alaska wildlife refuge
Republicans fail to garner enough support to avoid threat of filibuster
Updated: 8:03 p.m. ET Dec. 21, 2005
WASHINGTON - The Senate blocked oil drilling in an Alaska wildlife refuge Wednesday, rejecting a must-pass defense spending bill where supporters positioned the quarter-century-old environmental issue to garner broader support.

Drilling backers fell four votes short of getting the required 60 votes to avoid a threatened filibuster of the defense measure over the oil drilling issue. Senate leaders were expected to withdraw the legislation so it could be reworked without the refuge language. The vote was 56-44.

Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist was among those who for procedural reasons cast a “no” vote, so that he could bring the drilling issue up for another vote.

The vote was a stinging defeat for Sen. Ted Stevens, R-Alaska, who for years has waged an intense fight to open the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. He had thought this time he would finally get his wish.

Stevens called the refuge’s oil vital to national security and bemoaned repeated attempts over the years by opponents using the filibuster to kill drilling proposals.

Democrats, conversely, accused Stevens of holding hostage a military spending bill that includes money to support troops in Iraq and $29 billion for victims of Hurricane Katrina.

'Held hostage'
“Our military is being held hostage by this issue, Arctic drilling,” fumed Sen. Harry Reid, the Democratic leader. The Nevada Democrat said the Senate could move quickly to pass the defense bill once the refuge issue was resolved.

“We all agree we want money for our troops. ... This is not about the troops,” said Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass., a strong critic of letting oil development disturb the refuge in northeastern Alaska.

During the vote, a grim-faced Stevens, 82, who had fought to open the refuge to drilling since 1980 and is the most senior Republican in the Senate, sat midway back in the chamber, watching his colleagues. When it became apparent that he had lost, he briefly talked with Frist, presumably over what move should be taken next. He briefly shook his head, a signal of his disappointment.

“We need ... to open up the small area of the coastal plain (of the refuge) for oil exploration and development,” said Sen. Lisa Murkowski, R-Alaska. She called making the oil available a matter of national security by reducing U.S. reliance on oil imports.

Senators determined to protect the refuge from development found it difficult to oppose the politically popular defense bill, which has money for troops in Iraq, relief for Katrina hurricane victims and help for low-income families to pay energy bills.

“Destroying this wilderness will do very little to reduce energy costs nor does it do very much for oil independence,” said Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif.

Long, bitter battle
A decade ago a Republican-led Congress used a parliamentary maneuver to get an ANWR bill successfully past a filibuster, only to have it vetoed by President Clinton. This time President Bush has made ANWR drilling one of his top priorities and is eager to sign a bill.

Drilling opponents long have argued that ANWR’s oil should not be exploited because of the coastal plain’s fragile ecosystem and its wildlife. While the region looks bleak during its long winters and oil can be seen seeping from some of its rock formations, the coastal strip also is the calving ground for caribou and home to polar bears, musk oxen, and the annual influx of millions of migratory birds.

“There are literally hundreds of thousands of Americans following this issue,” William Meadows, president of the Wilderness Society, said Tuesday, adding that there has been “an outpouring of angst and concern” over Stevens’ attempt to link hurricane relief money, low-income energy assistance funds and money for the Iraq war to push the drilling measure through a reluctant Senate.

Drilling proponents say modern techniques can extract the oil without damaging the environment.

Bill passes House
The House passed the $454 billion defense spending bill earlier this week, 308-106, with scores of lawmakers who previously opposed refuge drilling voting for the legislation.

The bill includes $29 billion for Katrina hurricane relief, $2 billion in emergency funding for low-income families pay high heating bills this winter as well as money for troops in Iraq. Stevens’ provision would funnel 80 percent of the proceeds from Arctic refuge oil lease sales to hurricane relief and 5 percent for the energy assistance program.

The legislation anticipates about $5 billion in federal revenue bonus bids from oil leases, the first of which must be issued within 22 months and the second package in 2010. Half of the lease proceeds and future royalties from oil production would go to Alaska.

Alaska relies heavily on proceeds from oil production, a revenue stream that has been in steady decline as the vast Prudhoe Bay oil fields to the west of ANWR become less productive.

Source: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10560979/

we have all the oil we need in this country already, seating there waiting to be made into fuel, more of it made into fuel and less people use it price go down.

besides Alaska is not very cheap state ether you been there you know it! they charge for things way high and pay rate is super high too. Alaska oil will be price like crazy higher maybe even higher then import oil would be. Alaska oil would not be cheap at all.

[Rampage.]

i think its personally a good thing they don't drill in alaska, cause they need to respect nature. i am for nature over money anyday.

[Hellfighter]

i don't know it be on Federal land? so who have the right to sale it the people of Alaska or the Federal government keep control of the land the oil is in and price it only way i see it not get jackup at all.

beside the area were the oil drill be in is only a small area and mostly cutoff from wild life it not like they taking 50miles area it be more like 400ft box in area.

they drill down find the oil then cap it off then hookup a pipe to it then only a small area being use. it not like freaking taken a large area at all.

but still more oil will not let the price go down at all.

buy more fuel pay more, use less fuel pay less.

it same for turning on the light when not needed turn the fool thing off save money, same thing for using fuel use less payless for it.

[Sal UK]

Originally posted by MuffinMan
i think its personally a good thing they don't drill in alaska, cause they need to respect nature. i am for nature over money anyday.

[~MOUSE~]

Don't worry about it.

In another 80 years there won't be any oil to worry about.
We will either be zooming around in hydrogen powered cars or plodding along on the back of donkeys.

It doesn't mater that we have already used up half of the worlds oil.
It doesn't mater that global warming is going to make some areas of the world un-inhabitable and cover some areas in sea.

The prospect of polar ice shutting down the Gulf Stream, causing a new ice age does not worry me in the slightest.

Lets face it, most of us will be long dead and buried by the time this happens.

Don't worry, be happy.

[Lucky]

Originally posted by MuffinMan
i think its personally a good thing they don't drill in alaska, cause they need to respect nature. i am for nature over money anyday.

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i agree

[Hellfighter]

Originally posted by ~MOUSE~
Don't worry about it.

In another 80 years there won't be any oil to worry about.
We will either be zooming around in hydrogen powered cars or plodding along on the back of donkeys.

It doesn't mater that we have already used up half of the worlds oil.
It doesn't mater that global warming is going to make some areas of the world un-inhabitable and cover some areas in sea.

The prospect of polar ice shutting down the Gulf Stream, causing a new ice age does not worry me in the slightest.

Lets face it, most of us will be long dead and buried by the time this happens.

Don't worry, be happy.

your right in 5000yrs from now who will know us all anyways.
they maybe in the stone age or dieing to make a liven anyways.
this planet maybe dead by then anyways and there not much we can do about it.

save the planet yea right some many people on this planet do as they please any how.

motor enginges were nice and all, but using live stock to do the work in the long run the planet would have lasted longer. like the Indian in the old west use to say, if there no life in the water you can't drink it, same for cars if there no life in it then it will kill all other life its no good.

cars/racers/trucks of all type will kill off all life in some ways. don't matter what type of fuel it uses.