[DFBHD] AI upscaled textures

[satrebor]

Trying to upscale somw textures with AI. Its pain in the ass, some textures are only 128x128 pixels, but AI does a great job. Will post more pictures later.

[Snowman]

Looks pretty good!

[Baldo_the_Don]

Here's the problem with AI: You need stuff. You know a guy that can get you stuff. You don't know where he gets the stuff you get from him, and it's not great stuff, but it's better than the stuff you have now, it's fast, and it's free!

Just understand that a lot of us have sunk an inordinate amount of time and effort into editing targas and .dds files, have risked divorce from ignored wives, and only recently memorized rad to seven decimal places (6.2831853) 'cause it makes calculating correctly scaled reticle targas easier. We've done work to make the items that your AI guy is scrubbing the internet to collect and collate into the stuff he gives you.

We see you not stealing art, but happily accepting the art that was stolen for you, and we're judging you. We cannot sentence you, but we're judging you.

I also like to think that these early misuses of this technology are just birthing pains necessary to get it to a level of acceptable usefulness, but AI steals art from artists, and that hurts.

Look at the attachment I'm posting with this reply. That's my reskin of the Delta uniform for the NSO Deadline mod. You can't really see the blue tint in the camouflage, and there's absolutely no way you could know that the pattern is derived from a photo of the bark of a plane tree I googled. The R.C.P.D. unit tag on the left breast is an easter egg. So's the Razielhim symbol in the shoulder patch.

Derivation is how humans make art. Reference and sources are important.

Do I know the name of the photographer that made the image I derived my camo pattern from? I do not. I'm not guiltless. But I could find that image, that photographer, and credit them if I needed to. And should they want it removed, I could do that, and replace it with a derivation of a photo I made myself: I have access to cameras, there are plane trees right here on the street I live on. That's why I googled an image of the bark of a plane tree in the first place.

I did not invent the Raccoon City Police Department. I do know Amy Hennig created the Razielhim, possibly even the symbol of that clan, and I can name her, even if I had to google 'Amy Henning' first before realizing there's only two 'n's in her last name.

So I can be called to account, in many ways.

And that screenshot is new. I took fifteen, twenty minutes out of my life to start the mod, pick a map, get in position, choose an angle, make the screengrab, edit it in Irfanview, then upload it here, where an AI will be able to take it and add it to the library it has for stuff.

It's an ugly business, and even though it cannot be stopped, it should be understood and contemplated.

[satrebor]

Originally Posted by Baldo_the_Don

Here's the problem with AI: You need stuff. You know a guy that can get you stuff. You don't know where he gets the stuff you get from him, and it's not great stuff, but it's better than the stuff you have now, it's fast, and it's free!

Just understand that a lot of us have sunk an inordinate amount of time and effort into editing targas and .dds files, have risked divorce from ignored wives, and only recently memorized rad to seven decimal places (6.2831853) 'cause it makes calculating correctly scaled reticle targas easier. We've done work to make the items that your AI guy is scrubbing the internet to collect and collate into the stuff he gives you.

We see you not stealing art, but happily accepting the art that was stolen for you, and we're judging you. We cannot sentence you, but we're judging you.

I also like to think that these early misuses of this technology are just birthing pains necessary to get it to a level of acceptable usefulness, but AI steals art from artists, and that hurts.

Look at the attachment I'm posting with this reply. That's my reskin of the Delta uniform for the NSO Deadline mod. You can't really see the blue tint in the camouflage, and there's absolutely no way you could know that the pattern is derived from a photo of the bark of a plane tree I googled. The R.C.P.D. unit tag on the left breast is an easter egg. So's the Razielhim symbol in the shoulder patch.

Derivation is how humans make art. Reference and sources are important.

Do I know the name of the photographer that made the image I derived my camo pattern from? I do not. I'm not guiltless. But I could find that image, that photographer, and credit them if I needed to. And should they want it removed, I could do that, and replace it with a derivation of a photo I made myself: I have access to cameras, there are plane trees right here on the street I live on. That's why I googled an image of the bark of a plane tree in the first place.

I did not invent the Raccoon City Police Department. I do know Amy Hennig created the Razielhim, possibly even the symbol of that clan, and I can name her, even if I had to google 'Amy Henning' first before realizing there's only two 'n's in her last name.

So I can be called to account, in many ways.

And that screenshot is new. I took fifteen, twenty minutes out of my life to start the mod, pick a map, get in position, choose an angle, make the screengrab, edit it in Irfanview, then upload it here, where an AI will be able to take it and add it to the library it has for stuff.

It's an ugly business, and even though it cannot be stopped, it should be understood and contemplated.

I feel the same sir.. I am freelance video editor and I see that my profession is sinking too, AI is everywhere, so I decided to put my head in a sand like an ostrich because AI is stronger than us. I need to feed my family and go further with technology so I must learn new stuff. Its not commercial work, its just playing with new technology. Even using AI does not mean I am not using photoshop to edit textures, because straight AI upscales are useless. Doesn't matter if we want it or not.. its coming and it will change how we do the things.

[Baldo_the_Don]

There's a non-zero chance that someone that likes to play with AI art apps and has no idea why so many people are so upset about this dumb little toy on their phone that they love so much will see this thread and have an epiphany.

Years ago, I used to love Ebaumsworld. Had a blast there, all the funny stuff. Then I started hearing about how almost none of the creators of the stuff on Ebaumsworld knew their content was on Ebaumsworld, and nobody that did gave permission for it. I didn't understand the outrage. I was glad there was a single site where I could find all the good stuff that made the internet fun for me. Stuff I never would have known about, otherwise. Why's everyone so mad?

'Cause the staff at Ebaumsworld were raking in all the ad money in the world without creating a single pixel of the art the were getting paid for. And they were keeping all of it. The art collators were buying houses and cars and vacations to Dubai, but the art makers were starving to death.

That's barely an exaggeration. Melodrama to make a point. That my ignorance was ended, and I stopped going to Ebaumsworld.

I just hope there'll be someone that sees this thread and comes away from it thinking, 'Oh. That's what the problem is.'

[Oscarmike247]

To be honest, I'm not sure that it works like this. From what I've understood, AI isn't simply taking other images and pasting them into a grabastic glob of whatever you prompted it with. But it does use images from others to learn. If you tell it you want a picture of a monkey riding a horse, It's going to use other peoples images to figure out what a horse looks like, what does a money look like, what does it look like for something to ride a horse?

It isn't much different than someone such as yourself researching what a Scrome J8-F1 reticle looks like on google images so that you know the correct way to draw one. Or looking at different camo patterns to get an idea of a custom camo scheme.

I think AI upscaling does the same thing. It looks at what the image is. It's tree leaves. Ok if we want to upscale tree leaves, lets see what tree leaves look like.

IDK, it's kind of a gray area.

[satrebor]

Originally Posted by Oscarmike247

To be honest, I'm not sure that it works like this. From what I've understood, AI isn't simply taking other images and pasting them into a grabastic glob of whatever you prompted it with. But it does use images from others to learn. If you tell it you want a picture of a monkey riding a horse, It's going to use other peoples images to figure out what a horse looks like, what does a money look like, what does it look like for something to ride a horse?

It isn't much different than someone such as yourself researching what a Scrome J8-F1 reticle looks like on google images so that you know the correct way to draw one. Or looking at different camo patterns to get an idea of a custom camo scheme.

I think AI upscaling does the same thing. It looks at what the image is. It's tree leaves. Ok if we want to upscale tree leaves, lets see what tree leaves look like.

IDK, it's kind of a gray area.

Exacly, because when I upscaled tree texture, AI made same structure of UV map that does not exist on the internet. It created image 90% similar to original one, even branches and leaves are at same place as original. So maybe its really more creative than we think. Its yes, maybe its checking sample on the wide internet, but creating some UV maps are crazy good.

[jabo1SFH]

upscaling has been around since the 90s. mostly on dvd upconvert formats and music discs going to HD.

now AI does the same thing but uses the internet for reference. upscaling dvd players also get their formatting and firmware updates the same way.

AI is just going to make it easier.

not trying to paint a utopia for AI, just giving my opinion as a realist.

AI is here to stay.