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Old 06-06-2005, 06:26 AM
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I participated in the 50th Anniversary Celebrations and Reinactment of D-Day.

French WWII soldiers and some members of my platoon all gathered around and sang songs and drank together, arm to arm, tears to tears and a feeling like nothing I have ever felt before. I will carry it to my grave.
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who's the idiot in the center?, o wait thats bush, nvm
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The Bush Administration's Successes spotted by Dan K. O'Leary
Spotted at Rightnation.us and GOPUSA.com reprinted here for your pleasure. I encourage people who support Bush to learn how effective our President has been, and liberals ought to browse this too. Just remember, the liberal media can't cover up the truth of his accomplishments.

The Bush Administration 2001-2004


Abortion & Traditional Values

1. Banned Partial Birth Abortion — by far the most significant roll-back of abortion on demand since Roe v. Wade.
2. Reversed Clinton's move to strike Reagan's anti-abortion Mexico Policy.
3. By Executive Order (EO), reversed Clinton's policy of not requiring parental consent for abortions under the Medical Privacy Act.
4. By EO, prohibited federal funds for international family planning groups that provide abortions and related services.
5. Upheld the ban on abortions at military hospitals.
6. Made $33 million available for abstinence education programs in 2004.
7. Supports the Defense of Marriage Act — and a Constitutional amendment saying marriage is between one man and one woman.
8. Requires states to conduct criminal background checks on prospective foster and adoptive parents.
9. Requires districts to let students transfer out of dangerous schools.
10. Requires schools to have a zero-tolerance policy for classroom disruption (reintroducing discipline into classrooms).
11. Signed the Teacher Protection Act, which protects teachers from lawsuits related to student discipline.
12. Expanded the role of faith-based and community organizations in after-school programs.


Budget, Taxes & Economy

1. Signed two income tax cuts, one of which was the largest dollar-value tax cut in world history.
2. Supports permanent elimination of the death tax.
3. Turned around an inherited economy that was in recession, and deeply shocked as a result of the 9/11 attacks.
4. Is seeking legislation to amend the Constitution to give the president line-item veto authority.
5. In process of permanently eliminating IRS marriage penalty.
6. Increased small business incentives to expand and to hire new people.
7. Initiated discussion on privatizing Social Security and individual investment accounts.
8. Killed Clinton's "ergonomic" rules that OSHA was about to implement; rules would have shut down every home business in America.
9. Passed tough new laws to hold corporate criminals to account as a result of corporate scandals.
10. Reduced taxes on dividends and capital gains.
11. Signed trade promotion authority.
12. Reduced and is working to ultimately eliminate the estate tax for family farms and ranches.
13. Fight Europe's ban on importing biotech crops from the United States.
14. Exempt food from unilateral trade sanctions and embargoes.
15. Provided $20 million to states to help people with disabilities work from home.
16. Created a fund to encourage technologies that help the disabled.
17. Increased the annual contribution limit on Education IRA's from $500 to $2,000 per child.
18. Make permanent the $5,000 adoption tax credit and provide $1 billion over five years to increase the credit to $10,000.
19. Grant a complete tax exemption for prepaid or college tuition savings plans.
20. Reduced H1B visas from a high of 195,000 per year to 66,000 per year.


Character & Conduct as President

1. Changed the tone in the White House, restoring HONOR and DIGNITY to the presidency.
2. Has reintroduced the mention of God and faith into public discourse.
3. Handled himself with enormous courage, dignity, grace, determination, and leadership in the aftermath of the September 11, 2001 hijackings and anthrax attacks. He almost single-handedly held this country together during those searing days:

Just three days after the attacks, in his address at the National Cathedral, the President reassured the nation when he said: "War has been waged against us by stealth and deceit and murder. This nation is peaceful, but fierce when stirred to anger. This conflict was begun on the timing and terms of others. It will end in a way, and at an hour, of our choosing."


On Friday, September 14, 2001, President Bush visited Ground Zero. Standing on a crushed and burned fire engine atop the smoldering pile at Ground Zero, he put his arm around a retired firefighter who had volunteered to help, and began speaking to the crowd. Rescue workers shouted that they could not hear him. Someone handed him a small American flag and bullhorn. The President spontaneously shouted: "I can hear you. The rest of the world hears you. And the people who knocked these buildings down will hear all of us soon." The crowd roared with cheers and chants of "USA! USA! USA!" Then he raised that American flag and rallied a nation.


Education & Employment Training

1. Signed the No Child Left Behind Act, delivering the most dramatic education reforms in a generation (challenging the soft bigotry of low expectations). The very liberal California Teachers union is currently running radio ads against the accountability provisions of this Act.
2. Announced "Jobs for the 21st Century," a comprehensive plan to better prepare workers for jobs in the new millennium by strengthening post-secondary education and job training, and by improving high school education.
3. Is working to provide vouchers to low-income students in persistently failing schools to help with costs of attending private schools. (Blocked in the Senate.)
4. Requires annual reading and math tests in grades three through eight.
5. Requires states to participate in the National Assessment of Education Progress, or an equivalent program, to establish a national benchmark for academic performance.
6. Requires school-by-school accountability report cards.
7. Established a $2.4 billion fund to help states implement teacher accountability systems.
8. Increased funding for the Troops-to-Teachers program, which recruits former military personnel to become teachers.


Environment & Energy

1. Killed the Kyoto Global Warming Treaty.
2. Submitted a comprehensive Energy Plan (awaits Congressional action). The plan works to develop cleaner technology, produce more natural gas here at home, make America less dependent on foreign sources of energy, improve national grid, etc.
3. Established a $10 million grant program to promote private conservation initiatives.
4. Significantly eased field-testing controls of genetically engineered crops.
5. Changed parts of the Forestry Management Act to allow necessary cleanup of the national forests in order to reduce fire danger.
6. Part of national forests cleanup: Restricted judicial challenges (based on the Endangered Species Act and other challenges), and removed the need for an Environmental Impact Statement before removing fuels/logging to reduce fire danger.
7. Killed Clinton's CO2 rules that were choking off all of the electricity surplus to California.
8. Provided matching grants for state programs that help private landowners protect rare species.


Defense & Foreign Policy

1. Successfully executed two wars in the aftermath of 9/11/01: Afghanistan and Iraq. 50 million people who had lived under tyrannical regimes now live in freedom.
2. Saddam Hussein is now in prison. His two murderous sons are dead. All but a handful of the regime's senior members were killed or captured.
3. Leader by leader and member by member, al Maida is being hunted down in dozens of countries around the world. Of the senior al Qaeda leaders, operational managers, and key facilitators the U.S. Government has been tracking, nearly two-thirds have been taken into custody or killed. The detentions or deaths of senior al Qaeda leaders, including Khalid Shaykh Muhammad, the mastermind of 9/11, and Muhammad Atef, Osama bin Laden's second-in-command until his death in late 2001, have been important in the War on Terror.
4. Disarmed Libya of its chemical, nuclear and biological WMD's without bribes or bloodshed.
5. Continues to execute the War On Terror, getting worldwide cooperation to track funds/terrorists. Has cut off much of the terrorists' funding, and captured or killed many key leaders of the al Qaeda network.
6. Initiated a comprehensive review of our military, which was completed just prior to 9/11/01, and which accurately reported that ASYMMETRICAL WARFARE capabilities were critical in the 21st Century.
7. Killed the old US/Soviet Union ABM Treaty that was preventing the U.S. from deploying our ABM defenses.
8. Has been one of the strongest, if not THE strongest friend Israel has ever hand in the U.S. presidency.
9. Part of the coalition for an Israeli/Palestinian "Roadmap to Peace," along with Great Britain, Russia and the EU.
10. Pushed through THREE raises for our military. Increased military pay by more than $1 billion a year.
11. Signed the LARGEST nuclear arms reduction in world history with Russia.
12. Started withdrawing our troops from Bosnia, and has announced withdrawal of our troops from Germany and the Korean DMZ.
13. Prohibited putting U.S. troops under U.N. command.
14. Paid back UN dues only in return for reforms and reduction of U.S. share of the costs.
15. Earmarked at least 20 percent of the Defense procurement budget for next-generation weaponry.
16. Increased defense research and development spending by at least $20 billion from fiscal 2002 to 2006.
17. Ordered a comprehensive review of military weapons and strategy.
18. Ordered a review of overseas deployments.
19. Ordered renovation of military housing. The military has already upgraded about 10 percent of its inventory and expects to modernize 76,000 additional homes this year.
20. Is working to tighten restrictions on military-technology exports.
21. Brought back our EP-3 intel plane and crew from China without any bribes or bloodshed.


Globalization & Internationalism

1. Challenged the United Nations to live up to their responsibilities and not become another League of Nations (in other words, showed the UN to be completely irrelevant).
2. Killed U.S. involvement in the International Criminal Court.
3. Told the United Nations we weren't interested in their plans for gun control (i.e., the International Ban on Small Arms Trafficking Treaty).*
4. The only President since the founding of the UN to essentially tell that organization it is irrelevant. He said: "The conduct of the Iraqi regime is a threat to the authority of the United Nations, and a threat to peace. Iraq has answered a decade of UN demands with a decade of defiance. All the world now faces a test, and the United Nations a difficult and defining moment. Are Security Council resolutions to be honored and enforced, or cast aside without consequence? Will the United Nations serve the purpose of its founding, or will it be irrelevant?" We all know the outcome and the answer.
5. Told the Congress and the world, "America will never seek a permission slip to defend the security of our country."


Government Reform

1. Improved government efficiency by putting hundreds of thousands of jobs put up for bid. This weakens public-sector unions and cuts undeserved pay raises.
2. Initiated review of all federal agencies with the goal of eliminating federal jobs (completed September 2003) in an effort to reduce the size of the federal government while increasing private sector jobs.
3. Led the most extensive reorganization the Federal bureaucracy in over 50 years: After 9/11, condensed 20+ overlapping agencies and their intelligence sectors into one agency, the Department of Homeland Security.*
4. Ordered each agency to draft a five-year plan to restructure itself, with fewer managers.
5. Converted federal service contracts to performance-based contracts wherever possible so that the contractor has measurable performance goals.


Health

1. Strengthen the National Health Service Corps to put more physicians in the neediest areas, and make its scholarship funds tax-free.
2. Double the research budget of the National Institutes of Health.
3. Signed Medicare Reform, which includes:

A 10-year privatization option.


Prescription drug benefits: Prior to this reform, Medicare paid for extended hospital stays for ulcer surgery, for example, at a cost of about $28,000 per patient. Yet Medicare would not pay for the drugs that eliminate the cause of most ulcers, drugs that cost about $500 a year. Now, drug coverage under Medicare will allow seniors to replace more expensive surgeries and hospitalizations with less expensive prescription medicine.


More health care choices: As President Bush stated, "…when seniors have the ability to make choices, health care plans within Medicare will have to compete for their business by offering higher quality service [at lower cost]. For the seniors of America, more choices and more control will mean better health care. These are the kinds of health care options we give to the members of Congress and federal employees. What's good for members of Congress is also good for seniors.


New Health Savings Accounts: Effective January 1, 2004, Americans can set aside up to $4,500 every year, tax free, to save for medical expenses. Depending on your tax bracket, that means you'll save between 10 to 35 percent on any costs covered by money in your account. Every year, the money not spent would stay in the account and gain interest tax-free, just like an IRA. These accounts will be good for small business owners, and employees. More businesses can focus on covering workers for major medical problems, such as hospitalization for an injury or illness. At the same time, employees and their families will use these accounts to cover doctors visits, or lab tests, or other smaller costs. Some employers will contribute to employee health accounts. This will help more American families get the health care they need at the price they can afford.



Homeland Security, Border Enforcement & Immigration

1. *See Government Reform above. Under President Bush's leadership, America has made an unprecedented commitment to homeland security.
2. Has CONSTRUCTION in process on the first 10 ABM silos in Alaska so that America will have a defense against North Korean nukes. Has ordered national and theater ballistic missile defenses to be deployed by 2004.
3. Announced a 9.7% increase in government-wide homeland security funding in his FY 2005 budget, nearly tripling the FY 2001 levels (excluding the Department of Defense and Project BioShield).
4. Before DHS was created, there were inspectors from three different agencies of the Federal Government and Border Patrol officers protecting our borders. Through DHS, U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) now consolidates all border activities into a single agency to create "one face at the border." This not only better secures the borders of the United States, but it also eliminates many of the inefficiencies that occurred under the old system. With over 18,000 CBP inspectors and 11,000 Border Patrol agents, CBP has 29,000 uniformed officers on our borders.
5. The Border Patrol is continuing installation of monitoring devices along the borders to detect illegal activity.
6. Launched Operation Tarmac to investigate businesses and workers in the secure areas of domestic airports and ensure immigration law compliance. Since 9/11, DHS has audited 3,640 businesses, examined 259,037 employee records, arrested 1,030 unauthorized workers, and participated in the criminal indictment of 774 individuals.
7. Since September 11, 2001, the Coast Guard has conducted more than 124,000 port security patrols, 13,000 air patrols, boarded more than 92,000 vessels, interdicted over 14,000 individuals attempting to enter the United States illegally, and created and maintained more than 90 Maritime Security Zones.
8. Announced the Student and Exchange Visitor Information System (SEVIS), an internet-based system that is improving America's ability to track and monitor foreign students and exchange visitors. Over 870,000 students are registered in SEVIS. Of 285 completed field investigations, 71 aliens were arrested.
9. This week, the US-VISIT program began to digitally collect biometric identifiers to record the entry and exit of aliens who travel into the U.S on a visa. Together with the standard information, this new program will confirm compliance with visa and immigration policies.
10. Eliminated INS bureaucratic redundancies and lack of accountability.
11. Split the Immigration and Naturalization Service into two agencies: one to protect the border and interior, the other to deal with naturalization.
12. Signed the workplace verification bill to prevent hiring of illegal aliens.
13. Established a six-month deadline for processing immigration applications.
14. Information regarding nearly 100% of all containerized cargo is carefully screened by DHS before it arrives in the United States. Higher risk shipments are physically inspected for terrorist weapons and contraband prior to being released from the port of entry. Advanced technologies are being deployed to identify warning signs of chemical, biological, or radiological attacks. Since September 11, 2001, hundreds of thousands of first responders across America have been trained to recognize and respond to the effects of a WMD attack.


Judiciary & Tort Reform

1. Is urging federal liability reform to eliminate frivolous lawsuits.
2. Killed the liberal ABA's unconstitutional role in vetting federal judges. The Senate is supposed to advise and consent, not the ABA.
3. Is nominating strong, conservative judges to the judiciary.
4. Supports class action reform bill which limits lawyer fees so that more settlement money goes to victims.


Politics

1. His leadership resulted in Republican gains in the House and Senate, solidifying Republican control of both houses of Congress and the presidency.
2. Signed an EO enforcing the Supreme Court's Beck decision regarding union dues being used for political campaigns against individual's wishes.


Second Amendment

1. Ordered Attorney General Ashcroft to formally notify the Supreme Court that the OFFICIAL U.S. government position on the 2nd Amendment is that it supports INDIVIDUAL rights to own firearms, and is NOT a Leftist-imagined "collective" right.
2. Signed TWO bills into law that arm our pilots with handguns in the cockpit.
3. Currently pushing for full immunity from lawsuits for our national gun manufacturers.
4. *See Globalization & Internationalism.


Traditional Values, Compassion & Volunteerism

1. Endorses and promotes "The Responsibility Era." President Bush often speaks of the necessity of personal responsibility and civic volunteerism. He said, "In a compassionate society, people respect one another and take responsibility for the decisions they make in life. My hope is to change the culture from one that has said, if it feels good, do it; if you've got a problem, blame somebody else — to one in which every single American understands that he or she is responsible for the decisions that you make; you're responsible for loving your children with all your heart and all your soul; you're responsible for being involved with the quality of the education of your children; you're responsible for making sure the community in which you live is safe; you're responsible for loving your neighbor, just like you would like to be loved yourself."
2. Started the USA Freedom Corps, the most comprehensive clearinghouse of volunteer opportunities ever offered. For the first time in history, Americans can enter geographic information about where they want to get involved, such as state or zip code, as well as areas of interest ranging from education to the environment, and they can access volunteer opportunities offered by more than 50,000 organizations across the country and around the world.
3. Established the The White House Office and the Centers for the Faith-Based and Community Initiative — located in seven Federal agencies. The faith-based initiative supports the essential work of these important organizations. The goal is to make sure that grassroots leaders can compete on an equal footing for federal dollars, receive greater private support, and face fewer bureaucratic barriers. Work focuses on at-risk youth, ex-offenders, the homeless and hungry, substance abusers, those with HIV/AIDS, and welfare-to-work families.
4. The White House released a guidebook fully describing the Administration's belief that faith-based groups have a Constitutionally-protected right to maintain their religious identity through hiring — even when Federal funds are involved.
5. Issued an EO implementing the Supreme Court's Olmstead ruling, which requires moving disabled people from institutions to community-based facilities when possible.
6. Increased funding for low-interest loan programs to help people with disabilities purchase devices to assist them.
7. Revised the Department of Housing and Urban Development's Section 8 rent subsidies to disabled people, permitting them to use up to a year's worth of vouchers to finance down payments on homes. HUD has started pilot programs in 11 states.
8. Committed US funds to purchase medicine for millions of men, women and children now suffering with AIDS in Africa.
9. Heeding the words of our own Declaration of Independence, the president laid out the non-negotiable demands of human dignity for all people everywhere. On January 29, 2002, he said, "No nation owns these aspirations, and no nation is exempt from them. We have no intention of imposing our culture. But America will always stand firm for the non-negotiable demands of human dignity." As stated by the President, they are a virtual manifesto of conservative principles:

Equal Justice

Freedom of Speech

Limited Government Power

Private Property Rights

Religious Tolerance

Respect for Women

Rule of Law
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Old 06-06-2005, 07:44 AM
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I just wish that they would do something with the Oil Prices. Other than that I am not very disappointed in what he has done.
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20. Reduced H1B visas from a high of 195,000 per year to 66,000 per year.
More and more companies are outsourcing. So the "decrease" is only play with numbers. People are finding jobs where they are at American compaines. Why should they leave and come here???

BTW this was a "France" thread, where did the "achievements" of Dubbyah come in?
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What countries people do?

THE ONES THAT SENT TROOPS TO FRANCE and one more thing. Which country started killing by beheading? And they say hanging is uncivilized.
And that was only done to save poor Europe, yeah right

Never thought that there might have been a bit of a grunge between Hitler and America at that time, because of some stuff Hitler did? Nah that would be absurd

Secondly, without france help it wouldnt have happened my friend

Oh and what time period and country would this be?

And what is worse? A quich death with a blade, wont notice a thing. Or a slower death of suffication?

Sweden used Beheadings up untill 1903. Greeks used it, Roman Empire (Swedish empire to for that matter), Norway, Britain, Germany and the list goes on, dont forget the samuris either

If your refering to the guillotine "invented" (a simular thing was allready in use in Yorkshire town since 1286, called the "Halifax Gibbet", but news didnt travel that fast back then, and no Guinnes world record existed back then ) as to make it more humane for those that ware beheaded, so in other words, france was quite frank about humane deathpenelties. The guillotine was a very good tool to make a humane beheading.

Electricusion isnt that humane either, it hurts like hell to be electricuted
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you deserve to suffer if you kill someone, hence electicusion.

Honestly we didn't go into WWII to safe France but we ended up doing it.

We should have just taken over France
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Err didn't they help Americans fight the British?
yep they did and we had to kick them French out too USA back in them old days, why you ask? them French were trying to take the Northern part of the USA for them selfs too.

the French were thinking we help them those two kill each other off, we can come in take what we like a piece of the country upper new England states.

funny we left the name as it was back in them old days "New England" it stay the same all these years.

in real world we were fighting 3 fronts: England, French, Native Indian in this country. we push england out of the USA and same for the French people too, but we steal the land away from the Native Indian thats the sad part? some land was paid for and other mostly taken away from them.

I think it would have been better let them keep their land and have them grand father in to the USA as a whole.
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funny the price of things going up? were the avenage in it? the more pay rate up, food and housing, fuel and other things is going up too. there no off set to this.

really wish the money go back to the standers of the 1960s and 1970s, everything going up to high $$$$$. back then life was easy to live and buy things and pay for rent was not out this world like it now! hell have a new baby born in this day of age it cost almost as much a house cost back in the late 60s.

some times i think it more about ripping people off more then trying to make life better place for all. sad
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Thanks for the quick refresher Chief but the point was we have a screwed up foreign policy that allows us to make strange bed partners
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Don't get me wrong when I critisize the French government I served with French troops as part of Nato and they were and remain some of the finest soldiers in the world but the attitude of the French government on issues such as Iraq concerns me greatly.

If we ever get into another shooting war on a scale similar to the sencond war, (god forbid), I have grave doubts that the French governemnt would commit it's whole hearted support to fighting such a war.

France stood apart from Nato but had the reasurance of the American nuclear umbrella while they did so. Drawing benefit from being under that umbrella during the cold war the French government did what it wanted and ignored the needs of it's friends and allies.

It has been repsonsible together with Germany for the creation of the Eurpoean Economic Community but it had to try and take that further with it's attempts to create a Euorpean superstate which recent events have proven beyond doubt is not the wish of the vast majority of Europeans including ironically enough the French people themselves.

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that is true but i was making a point we did it all on are self, other coutures can do it cheaper why? we make MFG pay out the rearend on pay rate,lic fee,over heads.... were they can go to other country's there it better for them. we are cutting up.

China can do it cheaper, same for some others country's like India and others, life is cheaper for them live by. why should a Manufacture pay out the nose to make a product and sale it at a cheaper price. thats why they are going to other country's they can do it cheaper and make more money at it.

sorry i have to look at what they are doing it for.

given a tax break is not the same it only 10% cut in what they really can save and make a product with.

it like a gold mine cost on product and laber is cheaper and not to count over head is way cheaper too. its sad but we did it to them by raise the cost of productives out the window for them so they are running to a new land were they can save more.

you and i may not like it? but the only way to stop this is break the wall down and lower the pay rate and over head down cheaper or it will never stop.
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I just wish that they would do something with the Oil Prices. Other than that I am not very disappointed in what he has done.


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First off, thanks Trojan, hope you don't mind if I pass that on. And ABOUT THE PRICE OF GAS. The next time your at the pump don't get pissed at the oil companys, or the Arabs, or the government. It's not their fault. The reason we are so dependent on forein oil is due to the liberal a.k.a fasist tree hugging stupid morons who have snivled and whinned and bitched about saving the indangered One Eyed Purple Worm that have brought our oil production to a stand still. Refineries are all shut down because they can't compete with all the enviorment laws or trying to produce 40 different grades of gas.These fasist have made it where we can't explore for new oil. We might unnest the Limp Wrist Liberal Lisp Lark ( the only bird known who has lips )Our naition has an oil reserve second only to Saudia Arabia but we can't touch it. The truth is since the building of the Alasken Pipe Line the wildlife population has increased,not decreased, as they would have you belive. The worst thing about it is these stupid morons are being led by people who pray on their fears and their real goal is to destroy this country. Just like CBS, NBC, ABC, Hollywood, Ted Turner, Shara Brady , Ted Kenndy, John Kerry, Hillary Clinton, and the rest of the one world order S. O. B! So until we all get so fed up with this b. s. we tell this small group of stupid loud mouth sheep to shove it where the sun don't shine expect more of the same.
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you deserve to suffer if you kill someone, hence electicusion.

Honestly we didn't go into WWII to safe France but we ended up doing it.

We should have just taken over France
That would make one big death circle! As someone killed the one that killed someone else, then that person should also be electricuted, which will make it a big bad circle of death
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that is true but i was making a point we did it all on are self, other coutures can do it cheaper why? we make MFG pay out the rearend on pay rate,lic fee,over heads.... were they can go to other country's there it better for them. we are cutting up.

China can do it cheaper, same for some others country's like India and others, life is cheaper for them live by. why should a Manufacture pay out the nose to make a product and sale it at a cheaper price. thats why they are going to other country's they can do it cheaper and make more money at it.

sorry i have to look at what they are doing it for.

given a tax break is not the same it only 10% cut in what they really can save and make a product with.

it like a gold mine cost on product and laber is cheaper and not to count over head is way cheaper too. its sad but we did it to them by raise the cost of productives out the window for them so they are running to a new land were they can save more.

you and i may not like it? but the only way to stop this is break the wall down and lower the pay rate and over head down cheaper or it will never stop.
One example. Where do you call when you call to Dell support? Thats right, India!
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I just wish that they would do something with the Oil Prices. Other than that I am not very disappointed in what he has done.


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First off, thanks Trojan, hope you don't mind if I pass that on. And ABOUT THE PRICE OF GAS. The next time your at the pump don't get pissed at the oil companys, or the Arabs, or the government. It's not their fault. The reason we are so dependent on forein oil is due to the liberal a.k.a fasist tree hugging stupid morons who have snivled and whinned and bitched about saving the indangered One Eyed Purple Worm that have brought our oil production to a stand still. Refineries are all shut down because they can't compete with all the enviorment laws or trying to produce 40 different grades of gas.These fasist have made it where we can't explore for new oil. We might unnest the Limp Wrist Liberal Lisp Lark ( the only bird known who has lips )Our naition has an oil reserve second only to Saudia Arabia but we can't touch it. The truth is since the building of the Alasken Pipe Line the wildlife population has increased,not decreased, as they would have you belive. The worst thing about it is these stupid morons are being led by people who pray on their fears and their real goal is to destroy this country. Just like CBS, NBC, ABC, Hollywood, Ted Turner, Shara Brady , Ted Kenndy, John Kerry, Hillary Clinton, and the rest of the one world order S. O. B! So until we all get so fed up with this b. s. we tell this small group of stupid loud mouth sheep to shove it where the sun don't shine expect more of the same.
Thats not really why the price is increasing, the increasing price is part of the unstable Iraq, where oil was pumped and shipped weekly, that is not done now because of the situation in Iraq (other places for that matter to)
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also, gas prices in the US are very very sheap compared to the rest of the world...
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Even though outsourcing and Oil prices are major parts of the BIG PICTURE. They are not the only parts.

Outsourcing is basically happening becuase profit margins are increased when good are manufactured and imported from abroad. Basically the reason is our labor costs, environmental restrictions, and taxes are too high to run a sustained manufacturing business. GM will lay off 25,000 people by 2008, why becuase GM can no longer afford to make profit by producing SUVs and other large vehicles we've come to love so much. The underlying reason is American car manufacturers can no longer effectively compete with Asian and European counter parts. So they either move out of US and continue to create the SUVs or go out of business. Most businesses will choose the former option.

Oil price are fluctuating due to unstable political sitatution in Iraq and Venezuela, in our own back yard. Apparently we are trying to impose a more favorable government there and local people are with the current guy, don't recall his name. Hence, what could be our closest and cheapest oil source has been compromised.

World is going through what's called Global Business Lifecycle. We are pretty much done with manufacturing on our soil on mass levels. We are now a Serivce Economy. Manufacturing jobs have been transferred to less developed or developing countries.
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Yep Volvo is makeing factories and educating chinese people to build Volvo cars
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and then there is france, isn't france the cause of world hunger and the distruction of the ozone or was that iran?
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