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Old 06-30-2011, 11:34 PM
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Well, I've got this theory...

I have a theory, somewhat political, and its kind of a lil bit of everything, a world changer I guess. But, I wanted to OK it before I went on posting it here, as I know political arguements aren't really encouraged here, but I don't know where this will go, so who wants to know my theory? Or, I might go as far as philosophy.
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Old 07-01-2011, 09:17 AM
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Well, here it is. I figured i'd post it on the forums with a smaller amount of people first.


Imagine a world without money; Where everything was free. Where the human heart had no desire for a material
to be exchanged in return for a service or good. A world with no debt, no taxes, no bills. A world with no "financial problems" or "hard times."
A world where the amount of a Dollar, a Pound, a Euro, or Peso, did not matter. Why? Because this world has no currency. This world has people that
can work together to get the materials they need without a price.

It is in human nature to want something returned for something that was given, whether it be a service or an object that means virtually nothing.
This, of course, all started with the barter system and worked it's way from there. Instead of just trading a good for a different good, it became trading
a good for a little golden coin, or a piece of paper with numbers on it. These materials are just used to satisfy that need for something in return.
Of course, doing away with this would be very hard, given that this system has been around for many years. There are many pros, but little cons to doing
away with a currency system. However, there are many hurdles, as well.

Nothing has to cost money to make or do. Whether it be a house, a car, or a plane, anything that costs money does not need to cost anything.
You see on the news all the time about how bad the economy is, how people are getting laid off all the time, gasoline prices rising, etc. You know that
there are people on the street asking for change and good people turning bad and robbing stores because they have fallen on "hard times." The thing is, if
there were no money, these problems would not exist.

The Pros:
These people would be able to have very good lives because of no currency. Nobody would have to live outside in the streets
just because they did not have money. Nobody would have to risk going to jail for the good of keeping their family going.
The world would be alot farther in space travel, because the number one concern is not having enough money to get the materials and pay
all those people to build and test the crafts the space programs are making. There would be a drastic decrease in crime because
without money, there is no need to rob anyplace. The world's economy would really no longer exist because of no money, so there would not be
any debt problems or lack of jobs. The world would also be a lot farther in robotic technology and the development of Artificial Intelligence. By using
these technologies, we could have an entire robotic workforce at our disposal (this helps get over the third hurdle in section "The Hurdles").

The Cons:
Nearly the only con of doing away with the currency system is that there would be a slight increase in crimes that do not involve money. This is due to the
fact that there is people in the world that are only involved in crimes for the "thrill" of it.

The Hurdles:
One of the major hurdles is dealing with the many people who have already paid money in their life. They will be very unhappy with this because of it being
unfair to them. They may forget about it when these people get all they want by just walking into a store, and taking what they feel without it being
illegal. Another hurdle is the "everybody working together" part. There will obviously still be religions around if the currency system is done away with.
That is the hardest part. Everybody will just have to forget about their differences or convert to atheism/agnosticism, in short. The third hurlde is: who
will want to work? It may seem that there will be no point in working if you do not get anything in return, but refer to section "The Pros" for a reason
why this may only be short term). The remaining hurdle is human nature and it's need to have something in return for what was given, and that humans always
want to be better than one another, this may no be such a problem because everybody will be in as good of a situation as everybody else. However, humans
wanting something in return for another thing will just be another hurdle that has to be gotten over slowly, but surely.

Conclusion:
Money is the root of all evil. Almost every crime is connected to money in some way. Businesses become corrupt because of money, so do entire governments
at times. Peoples' lives are ruined because of money. Without money, the world would be a much better place to live. The focus could go away from money
related issues and go more towards the development of the human race and the preservation of the planet it lives on and research of the surrounding areas
in the universe. Without money, all this could happen because there would be no limit on what materials we could get except for the supply our Earth gives
us. The hurdles will take some time to get over, but if this all goes well, the world will be a much, much better place to be.
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Old 07-01-2011, 03:00 PM
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People aren't perfect and therefore this idea, although a good one— will never succeed in practice.

I'd say selfishness is the root of all evil and if you can find a way to remove that from human nature, they should name a church after you.
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Old 07-01-2011, 04:01 PM
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Sounds like Socializm.

It was tried and failed. Those who didn't fit into thier society or an unproductive member was sent to forced labor camps. Those who are handicapped and were dependant on others were seen a drain on their Society and were euthanized or slaughtered. Etc...

Atholon has a good point also, if you could eliminate the human factor (racisizm, bigotry, greed, envy, etc...) then it might work. But, then again didn't Rev. Jim Jones and the Peoples Temple try that ?
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Old 07-01-2011, 04:35 PM
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The concept is actually nothing new really. It sounds good then you think about, but it's hard to be able to view every angle at one time.
The act of doing something in return for something else is not that much different then the use of money when you think about it. When you sell something or do something for money, you do it becuase you know that money can buy you the material good that you need or want. So basically you're still trading one object for another. However, money simply provides a system that makes things smoother and more convenient.

Also, how would you pay for the fixed costs of living in modern society, such as electricity? I also agree with Dave, someone who is disabled would have a hard time surviving unless people really did help out of kindness.

Perhaps in a perfect world, but I just couldn't see it happening. The truth is, humans are not a bunch of goody two-shoes, unfortunetly. We all have greed and lusts for material goods, and the primitive side of all humans are selfish bastards, to put it bluntly. It's not the nature that is around us, but the nature that's within every one of us.

Good concept and a good read though.
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Old 07-01-2011, 05:25 PM
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A more realistic idea would be to have a society where those with plenty voluntarily used their excess to benefit others that are less fortunate. This doesn't mean they'd be forced to do so but if they chose to they could contribute to organizations that help the poor better their situation in life, rather than just throwing money at them (like the government does with welfare).

Then again... there's that selfishness factor. I'd say if even 10% of the most wealthy people in the world did this we'd have a completely different experience then we do now.
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Old 07-02-2011, 12:12 AM
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Thanks for the feedback guys, I knew that it would be a long jump to get this to work, and that it really was too good to be true, but then again, it is just a theory.

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Also, how would you pay for the fixed costs of living in modern society, such as electricity?
Well, Skinny, there would be no cost to it, it would just happen and it would be there for us to use.
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Old 07-02-2011, 01:13 AM
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Old 07-02-2011, 11:54 AM
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Very interesting theory..
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Old 07-02-2011, 12:58 PM
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sad thing is there no way one group people or person will work without some type of greed even if it for little money to buy food, sooner or later all will give up on life!

can't make a flat rate on money all will get across the broad for hard-work each one person make a daily bases of live, they become beggar and not try to make something new productive to sell or have something to look for to.

if one tax more of the rich people they ether close up shop or move away. short man/ women get the short in the stick lose income.
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damn it, I can't edit my post to put a copyright on it :/
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Some say that the best weapon is the one you never have to fire, well I say the best weapon is the one you only have to fire once, thats how i do it, thats how America does it, and it's worked out pretty well so far.

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damn it, I can't edit my post to put a copyright on it :/
Copy down the whole web page, dated in eternity on the web, load it up to the cloud, sky drive etc..."Proof of origin."
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Copy down the whole web page, dated in eternity on the web, load it up to the cloud, sky drive etc..."Proof of origin."
Meh, I don't think anybody's gonna take this idea anyway.

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Why would you add copyright to a post on a forum?
why does bigsmellyfart add copyrights to his jokes?
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Some say that the best weapon is the one you never have to fire, well I say the best weapon is the one you only have to fire once, thats how i do it, thats how America does it, and it's worked out pretty well so far.

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Some say that the best weapon is the one you never have to fire, well I say the best weapon is the one you only have to fire once, thats how i do it, thats how America does it, and it's worked out pretty well so far.

"The object of war is not to die for your country, but to make the other bastard die for his" - General George S. Patton

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Read up any book on political history of the early 20th century, and you'll find any number of w@nk jobs dreaming on, about what you are suggesting.. about 1928 to 1936, it started with the ultimate bull the USSR about 1913ish to current day China and other insecure peoples. communisim and its twin socialism, both are directly responsible for the deaths of 100's of millions of people, just keep taking your drugs RedrumSalad
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money is fake. it means nothing. it's either a piece of paper or a number on a harddrive somewhere.

it is a way to make people happy. with it, the unfit can continue to thrive. with it, people can be controlled. this introduces the fact that "feelings" will be the root of ultimate demise for humans.

since it is so important (it is the bottom line of every action and decision we make), i think it is best to do something that interest you the most, and it will come your way. for me, i'm going to stick around in academia and research molecular biology. sure i'm not going to make **** for money, even when i reach the point of obtaining a PhD, but i will still be doing something i'm extremely fascinated by (life and its development and evolution). afraid to say that after that i'm out of here. i feel like i'm swimming in a sea of dumbasses in this country that worry too much about small insignificant things in their life too much (like money) and have no idea what the word "priorities" means. That and in a decade or so there will be no middle class in this country, and that revolution will be supported by the middle class (which is happening today, which brings me back to the sea of dumbasses thing).
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