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Originally posted by BADDOG


I've worked all the hours in the day too but I don't begrudge paying a little extra tax to someone who may need a hand up from time to time after all that's part of being a good citizen in any nation. If that isn't so then why bother with Live8 or the original Live Aid? The recipients of the largess that was raised particulalry in Africa, are still as worse off as ever although they never seem to be short of guns to kill each other with!

<<< Well friend, it would be different if it was a "time-to-time" situation. But, instead, it's an addictive cycle that many people find more attractive than working for a living. There are other peolple that will work for them..so they milk the system sitting on thier asses. I would feel somewhat better if the recipients actually improved thier situation by using the help to advance in life/school/contraceptives...and act thankful instead of assuming "we" owe it to them! And you almost quoted my fisherman by mentioning Africa. Just goes to prove his point....they are no better off....just not as hungry...>>>

In the case of New Orleans was it not known their was damage to the flood control measures? So why didn't the state officials get off their well paid backsides and make sure all the systems were well maintained in the first place? Or is it arrogant to believe that nature can be controlled in any way?
<<< They were more attoned to tending the masses at the unemployment office and handing out welfare checks/medicade/wick/social security checks...That's what keeps the masses happy..not an evacuation plan..who wants to run away from all the free money? >>>

Anyone briging "god" into the argument is only trying to find an excuse for mankinds own failings and mankinds unwillingness to pay that extra tax to make sure things like this don't have such a devastating effect on a community. It's not unlike our muslim brothers telling us that "allah" has told them to blow themselves up, (and a lot of innocent people with them!), and blaming their "god" for the decisions they make for themselves.
<<< One Nation...Under God...Indivisible....With Liberty and Justice for All...and handouts for those that just want to sit around and have kids..raise them in poverty and unlease them among us to deal with...The only mention of God I made was to bless the victims who suffered..and ask forgiveness for allowing the welfare state to exist. I wasn't hiding behind anything..I openly admit that it was my fault..not Gods...I don't mind giving to people who better themselves...I despise the attitude of most who feel like I owe it to them. I don't owe you anything you haven't earned.>>>



I could go on but there is little point, suffice to say that any civilised nation or government knows that adequate welfare provision is very neccessary for those in need.
<<< As long as it is "people in need" and not "people addicted to a handout..."if you give a man a fish..you have fed him a meal...if you show him how to fish...
<>< <>< it better not be in my fishing hole! :P >>>
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Regards