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Old 02-14-2005, 12:22 PM
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Mr T makes a valid point. Republicanism is not a guarantee of social and politcal integrity.
In fact in the case of our current ruling party, if a labour President got in over a labour majority parliment then this country would be further up the shit creek than it is now.
In his time in power Blair has spent a LOT of time making damned sure that whatever powers our head of state and her associates wield have been totaly circumvented so that he weilds presidential powers without a proper system in place to keep him in check.
In this current environment the UK is in no way ready for a republican system.
Unless the politicians can prove it would provide a system of measured consideration in matters pertaining to the state then I would oppose it vehemently. I suspect the countries rightwing opinion formers would as well.

If Charles becomes king then Camillas title would be The Princess Consort to reflect her standing as being married to a divorced king.
Charles would indeed become head of the Chrich of England but lets not get ourselves bogged down with ridiculous rhetoric over THAT principle.
Henry the Eighth set up the Church of Englnad precisely so that he could divorce and remarry with impunity.
I concur that Elizabeth the 1st intergrated more wholesome Lutherian values once she got hold of the real power but seriously? I can't stand people moaning about the 'morals' of such a position being taken up by King Charles III.
In my job we ask everyones religion when they walk through the door. The majority have none, next is Muslim, then Catholic. Usually our population demographic shows less than 1% of people genuinley believe, spiritually, in the Church of England as a holy institution and in a debate that has its roots in a drive toward democracy a figure like that HAS to be taken in the terms that moraly the Church of England has NO sway in the countries spirtual process and so renders that argument, in my opinion, defunct.

Prince Charles said many years ago (before the troubles with Diana Princess of Wales became apparant), that he would like to scrap the part of his coronation vows that says he would become 'defender of the faith' to instead read simply, defender of faith.
In other words he wanted his role of Head of State to reflect the fact the the United Kingdom with its long history of forced multi-culturalism should at last be recognised universally as a place where all people are free to worship their gods with the same freedoms and rights as everyone else. Again in a debate that offers open minded democratic statesmanship, you must be clear that it is only Charles lone voice that has resonated this much common sense over the Head of Church issue in decades.

The royal family wield no real power and this countries government has shown no ability to be ready for a presidential politic. For whatever reason Charles followed his head and not his heart into a marriage that was doomed fromt he start.
What that means is that he spent a large majority of his adult life simply being human. And depressed.
I take this news as being exactly what it is. Good news for him and his partner but of little consequence, politicaly, socialy or spirtualy.
So lets just let them enjoy their later years with smiles on their faces and squeaky springs in their beds.

The royal family, by inviting select people to 'tea at the palace' have ensured a fanatastic amount of business investment in this country and a royal visit has been shown time and time again to be of more value than political diplomats in smoothing international tensions. The figures are available if you are prepared to study our recent history in depth.

Never forget that Prince Charles, Camilla, Diana, William et al are no more than humans that make the same mistakes as everyone else.
More than that though, they are all friends of the British people whatever their creed, race or religion
Charles has no vested interest in political sponsorship, vote mongering or doing whatever is best for his political party - and voters be damned.
He simply wants to have a crack at sitting in the big chair and representing Britains best interests with whatever influence he can offer in service of us.

Should Charles be King given this latest news?
Damn right he should. If politicians Damn him because of his history then they Damn a huge amount of us for living with similar mistakes and emotional upheaval.
If they succeed in drumming him away from the throne then the PC Liberals who use social experimentation and the overt criminalisation of free thought as their political tool will have conclusively and exhaustively won.

I know for a fact even BADDOG doesn't want that!
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