Idea against Cheats
 

Ok I dunno if this is possible, I emailed Nove the other day, asking about a kind of 3rd party anti-cheat group....This would work in a way that certain people that have authorisation to remove cheats from the Nova server games, then email Nova about the specific person, which would hopefully have the cheat suspended for say like 4 weeks.....

I say 4 weeks because a lot of people only cheat because they are no good at the game, and the 4 week ban would hit the spot, thus making them realise that they want to play the game online with friends and make them want to join a reputible squad.... If say the people who were chosen were also asked to run a website, which would hold the relevent details of the people who cheat and the people currently suspended, would make our lives a lot easier and our gaming more fun.

A lot of people cheat just to try and cheat a cheat, then most of them become addicted to the easy winning and carry on cheating. If you give the cheater a total of say 3 chances, and they still continued to cheat then they should get say a 6mth ban.....

I don't know guys this is just an idea that I thought about last week, because they really get on my nerves in the games too....Please gimme some feedback on this and don't just read the post..

Thanks

This is a good idea. Hopefully NL will do something with it. But, I prefer the method of getting an address to the cheaters home and paying a visit for a little "chat" about the issue. :D

I agree mate, b4 I used to go to all the trouble of finding there IP's and hacking there pc's but this is highly illegal and I don't wanna risk getting jailed for messing a cheaters PC up lol, so I just thought of a more legal and safe way about it!:~)

HOw would Nova World Enforce this 4 week ban ???

hmmmmm ... sounds like you've seen 1 too many cheaters

Ok it's hard to explain unless you're clued up on the way computers connect to the net, lame ass surfers, hackers, use what is known as a floating IP which basically means the IP they use when they connect to the net is a fake one, and when they connect again a different IP is displayed. If you're like me and you wanna pass all this stuff and get there IP you can get it lol, Nova Logic should have this kind of software seen as they run their own servers.

Thus enabling them to put a timed ban onto the cheaters IP, very basic like I said but only if you understand IP's and connections lol
:nerd:

The world's easiest solution for cheaters
 

It's really quite simple:

1) STOP WHINGING ABOUT CHEATERS - we KNOW they piss everyone off

2) HOST YOUR OWN GAME, or join a squad that's got at least 1 member with the pc-power to host a game

3) ASK THEM TO STOP CHEATING, and tell them their score will be disregarded for that game

4) WARN THEM they'll be punted if they continue

5) PUNT THEIR SORRY ARSE out the door

If they don't come back after that, then so much the better.
If they come back in and don't cheat, then it's also worked.
If, however, they come in and persist with their cheating, then repeat steps 4 and 5.
If that still doesn't work and they come back in a 3rd time, and STILL they insist on cheating, then BAN THEM!!!

If all else fails, wait til the person is punted/banned, inform the other players you're setting up a PASSWORD GAME, then do so and close the public game.

If you're so paranoid about cheaters, then get ICQ or some other messenger service and only inform people you trust, before setting up a password game.

FINAL NOTE: I thought LW was supposed to be played by people who (at the very least) act like adults, and play in an adult environment, so stop whining like a bunch of kids and HAVE FUN, or uninstall the damn game and give the CD to someone who WILL.

And who are you to tell us we're whiners? you sound like a cheater to me, we don't all wanna run our own public servers or password games, we wanna have fun on the Nova servers. You have seen the poll now beat it!

Damn ass wipe :biteme::finger3:

You like that **** Neo lol, someone has to put these wackos in there places lol:guns:

Climb a ladder and KISS MY ARSE!!!
 

FIRSTLY, I don't cheat, nor have I ever cheated.

SECONDLY, I ain't the one having a whinge about them, YOU are.

sounds like we need to take this one to the battlefield lol

lock - n - load people :guns: :guns: :guns: :guns:

hehe yeah, grab your weapons here if you wanna do this sucker over.....

:guns: :guns: :guns: :guns: :guns: :guns: :guns: :guns:

Sorry only have 16 spare pistols, bring your DFLW weapon of choice and we'll rape him lol

think This thread got out of hand but good idea Crazy Para

No harm is meant in this I only joke afterall everything on here is binary data lol......

Live life to the max

Re: The world's easiest solution for cheaters
 

nice post Firestorm, punting is the only way unless punkbusters help out.




Crazy this post is out of order. he gives suggestions and his own viewpoint and u come out with stuff like that! AUS is a respected squad and are nice ppl, i dont want them to consider DF-HQ a place where they are not welcome.

As I said Stevie I was messing mate, I ain't been funny we all have our views and what I posted was intended (as he said "We people who at the very least act like adults") as a joke that people would be able to take as humour.;)

Firestorm didnt think it was a joke

Well here to make it clear.....It was a joke Firestorm, sorry if it wasn't made clear!

Oh f*** what have I started? LMAO

Crazy, your idea of a 3rd party program to help get rid of these people is in theory a bloody great idea. :) It's just a little harder to put into practice. I was just offering a suggestion (or two) for dealing with people who seem to be intent on spoiling a good game.

I didn't take the replies as a personal attack. After all, Crazy's a pommie, which basically means he's good at two things:[list=1][*]losing (especially when it comes to cricket matches against the Aussies)[*]whinging about it afterwards :*( LMAO[/list=1]
(J/K)

I should know, after all, I'm a pommie too (I was BORN in England and MOVED to Australia - and any comments regarding rats leaving sinking ships can be posted to the usual address LOL)

Nothing I've said was intended as personal, and nothing I've read here was taken as personal. At the end of the day, we've ALL got one thing in common: getting rid of cheaters.

tears lots of tears man that was nicely put

cheers guys:nerd:

Thanks for sorting that out on your own guys.

I have only seen like 1 cheat in public games anyways... So if ya don't like cheats stay away from stats and head to publics..

I was being serious to. Ive never seen auto nades, raised sights or auto wepaons in public games.. Only cheat i've seen is unlimited ammo... Pick up this guys gun and had wayyyyyyyy more ammo then I should'a lol.:guns: :guns: :guns:

Damn only 734 posts... aint that a *****. :*(

And you call yourself an administrator with such a small number of posts Panther? lmao

Just go and say hi to every post that will put your post up a touch lol:nerd:

Haven't heard from NL have you? Keep dreaming.

my 2 cents...
 

ANYTHING that can get rid of cheaters i say go for it!!!
players should NOT HAVE to play on public servers to have cheat free games...it is a reality however; that we must do this though. until Nova comes up with a way to BAN, they'll just come back, them from the game itself, we'll have to play in small public games. i for one miss playing in servers with 32 to 50 ppl. and in my squads server few days ago we had a cheater who could walk through walks!!! i seen this with me own eyes! in closing i say this to anyone with the power, don't mess around with cheaters by being nice. if someone is found having/using a cheat program on public/nova server then BAN THEM FOR LIFE from being able to join a nova server! no punts, no soft words before action...just phoof and their gone! #$#% all the losers out there for cheating! world is better off without there sorry punk @$$es!!!

the only thing that could work is things like punkbuster or paladin that is used in counter-strike.. punting a cheater with static ip might be the worst thing u can do. recently we had a cheater at our server, so we punted her, later she came back with my user name and said she was gonna go give me a bad rep on other servers.. and well u can say that he/she did! :mad:

Re Idea about cheats.
 

mmmm
 

Considering some people have dynamic IP's i doubt that would really work, and even changing your ip with a cable or dsl modem isnt hard... that wouldnt work. But nova does have the control over accounts so if they were to play in nova servers nova could ban them. But nova isnt going to take the time to, they havent for any of their previous games. No offense guy but you just sound like someone tryin to sound smart about comps.


bye, if u wanna talk about my post

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The Final Solution
 

The way things are going, the only way Nova can resolve this issue is to do the one thing we don't want them to do: make people log into their servers, whether they play stat games or public/password games, then they'll be able to ban anyone for anything (ain't the net supposed to be available for all, regardless of whether people thing that someone's actions/opinions are correct ???) It's also worth bearing in mind that sometimes people do cheat, and sometimes people lag. I don't agree with cheaters, cos they ruin the game for everybody, but at the same time, unless there is concrete proof that it's not just a lag-caused incident, then a lot of people are gonna get f***ed off with Nova and stop playing, simply because too many innocents will be banned for non-deliberate acts (if you have any problems understanding what I'm on about, ask anyone who plays on 56k)

I am with Panther on this one.
There are NOT that many cheaters out there at all.
You may well see one or two in stats but I have honestly only ever seen two that I can be absolutley sure were cheats in public servers.
1) I saw a guy running very very very fast indeed.
2) A guy came into a game to practise using his rapid fire Barrett.

In the first instance the super fast dude was in with just me, him and a mate of mine. He was an atrocious DFLW player becasue despite his high running speed he stopped to use his M4MK sights. Every time he stopped I shot him in the head with my MAG. So that dealt with him!

In the second instance the bloke actually told everyone he had a rapid fire Barrett trainer. This initially caused a lot of concern and caustic reprimand from other players but as time went on we realised that he too was a poor player and that it didnt matter how fast he shot, he didn't see us coming from behind and in the end no one really minded.

The ONLY thing that has ever spoiled the game for me is when I am accused of cheating. There are hundreds and hundreds of people who cry cheat compared to a very very few who actually do cheat and herein lies the problem.

Any n00b coming into the forums etc now, thinks the cheating issue is massive. It makes sense then that in game, if they just don't know how someone is beating them so badly, that people assume a person is cheating.
What then happens is that they too come into forums and add to the debate, fueling the aggression toward what remains and always will be a miniscule minority.

It is no shock to me that when I am accused of cheating it tends to be allegations of aimbot. (Im a decent shot) Or
Invulnerability. (Game Lag and Spawn Armour).
Generally you can only truly tell a cheat once you are of a decent standard of player yourself.
I never ever hold any interest in a bad player crying cheat. They clearly don't know the game else they wouldn't be languishing in last place at ratios of 8-35, so how can they tell if someone is cheating?

Novalogic probably get (and here I am guessing) more e-mails and enquiries about anti-cheat patches now, than game improvement patches.

I'd like to see two things.
First patches that make it easier to see if a person is cheating or not, ie No blood when being shot during the 6 second spawn armour phase. (perhaps white flash)

Second I would like to see NW relinquish control of their stat servers. Similar to the initial idea posted here.

The main reason perhaps why Stat gain more than their share of cheats over public is because NW servers are not neccessarily admined by anyone with a passion for the game.

They could setup a system where top DF web sites or tournament organisers run and maintain the stat sites for them. Not Third party but as if it was their own server.

Why go into newbieDM when you could play in DFHQ.NETdm, run on NW servers with 50 people playing at maximum bandwidth - minimum lag, but run by someone well known in the DF community who is likely to want to watch over what is happening and punt/ban, with the ease that makes many good public servers so appealing?

The only argumant against this is that of cliques of people picking on others for the sake of it. An automatically run server is the only truly unbiased one, and I have seen posts in this very forum where influential community members publicly condem others without any real evidence to back up their allegations.
This is the main reason why it may not work perhaps.

Apologies for writing so much but its important that we all don't abandon our community over what is actually a small problem. In general cheats are rubbish players anyway and the game will remain fun if we all stop taking it so seriously. I have played in servers where people are abusive or could possibly be cheating and I find the most amusing thing to do is get everyone else to go get the undesirable.
Calls of 'ALL ON PANTHER' are always great fun, especially when the nutter leaves in a sulk.

On a side note and @ Panther. j/k about what I said just there. Plus this answer window is fantastic but doesn't give me much space to check where I am in my now almost legendarily over the top posts.

From a post with plenty to sayto a post with not much to say...

Nicely put zza1pqx :gj:

:D

RE: CHEATING OR NOT?
 

I HAVE READ WITH A GREAT DEAL OF INTEREST THE POSTS ABOUT CHEATING. I HAVE TO SAY THIS, AS A FAIRLY NEW PLAYER ON DFLW (6 MONTHS) I THINK EVEN I CAN TELL WHEN SOME ONE IS REALLY CHEATING, IN ONE CASE THE PERSON WHO WAS IN MY ROOM USED AUTO NADE WHICH AS I UNDERSTAND IT IS IN FACT A CHEAT! THE FACT IS I ASSUME MANY DFLW PLAYERS USED TO PLAY ON DF2 WHERE CHEATING HAS NOW REACHED EPIDEMIC PROPORTIONS. THUS I THINK MANY PLAYERS ARE READY TO SHOUT CHEAT BECAUSE OF PAST EXPERIENCE. I KNOW ENOUGH TO REALISE THAT RESPAWN AND BODY ARMOUR AND JUST EXCELLENT GAME PLAY CAN MAKE A PLAYER SEEM INVINCIBLE. I DO APPRECIATE THAT SOME PLAYERS ARE JUST BRILLIANT! IT'S A SAD FACT OF LIFE THAT CERTAIN INDIVIDUALS WILL CHEAT JUST BECAUSE THEY CAN! I LIKE TO GIVE EVERYONE THE BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT AS MOST OF THE PEOPLE I COME ACROSS IN DFLW ARE GOOD PLAYERS WHO JUST WANT TO HAVE SOME FUN.

AS FOR "POOR PLAYERS", I ASSUME EVEN THE BEST PLAYERS HAVE TO START SOME WHERE AND IT IS VERY EASY WHILST YOUR STILL LEARNING THE GAME TO ASSUME THAT SOME PLAYERS DO CHEAT SIMPLY BECAUSE THEY ARE KICKING YOUR ASS REGURLARLY! AT THE END OF THE DAY DFLW IS JUST A GAME AND, I DO AGREE PERHAPS SOME FOLK TAKE IT FAR TO SERIOUSLY. I LIKE TO WIN WHEN I PLAY, (HELL WHO DOESN'T?) BUT I ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT SOME PLAYERS ARE SO GOOD IT'S DIFFICULT TO BEAT THEM!


LETS NOT LET THE FEW IDIOTS WHO OUT THERE RUIN A DAMN GOOD GAME!

ON A FINALNOTE, I HAVE FOUND THAT ALL OF THE EXPERIENCED PLAYERS I HAVE COME ACROSS HAVE BEEN MORE THAN HELPFUL WITH TIPS AND ADVICE TO NEW PLAYERS. LIKE I SAID BEFORE, WE ALL HAVE TO LEARN!


THX BADDOG! :guns: :biteme:

we had some **** in our server ZONE*PR* cheating using wall hack an sight cheat dont know if he/she used other cheats ...

but i spot them fast 10min in the server i know something is wrong the map after i know the ****er was cheating .
ad that time i did not have remote host so i left the game day after i got remote host :) well the **** returned and i spoted the ****er and punted i just say LOSER ... and punted then the cheater used some of our names in *PR* but i know the style of play of most of our players so i know fast something was wrong so i just ask the player somethink he has 2 know and the answers was BS so i punted ,i think all in all i punted the ****er about 15 times in a week and the last time i did so i said LOL you are a loser and i feel sorry for you ... even with cheats fake names i can find you in 10min dont that tell you something ??? then i punted the ****er and i have newer seen the ****er in our server and that is over 1 mounth ago :)
but i cant play so manny places anymore cus i get punted i think i have about 5 servers i can join and play out side *PR* servers others i use fake names or im out fast of game sad realy but its ok i play 95% of the games in ZONE*PR* there i can punt cheats/BS talkers and if players think i cheat then thay can leave :)

CHEATING.
 

I SEE YOU HAD A PROBLEM WITH A CHEAT GHANDI! GLAD YOU EVENTUALLY GOT RID OF HIM/HER. BUT WHY ALL THE F**** M8?



BADDOG::confused:

can u say BAN?

the player has a floating IP so no baning there im not gonna use ban unless i know the player has a fix ip ..

all the F#¤%&#¤& i used is cus the cheater is a F#"&/#¤
Goat F%&¤/( but il leave the F#%&/(% words out if the forum bosses wants me 2 i was just annoyed when i Wright the post cheaters always piss me off ..

RE CHEATS.
 

I GOT U M8!!!! I CAN UNDERSTAND WHY U WERE ANGRY. AS I HAVE SAID BEFORE, UNFORTUNATELY THESE IDIOTS WILL ALLWAYS BE WITH US AND THAT'S A GREAT PITY. :) :) :) :)



GOOD HUNTING

BADDOG!!!!


ALL THAT IS NECESSARY FOR EVIL TO PROSPER IS THAT GOOD MEN SHOULD DO NOTHING.