gun control
 

I just visited the web sight handgun control. It sickens me how this shara brady prays on the fears of uninformed people to donate to their cause. This poor excuse of a human should be jailed for fraud, at the very least. She cuts herself off the top of these donations $900,000.00 a year, and thats not including the $3 or $4,000,000 her husband gets. For over 25 years she has wheeled her husband ,james , who i call side show brady, around playing the victom. She is smart enought to knows out of the 200,000 gun laws on the books not one has ever reduced crime and has only made it easyer for the bad guy. For her to use fear and out right lies to further her own gain, like i said, sickens me. There are laws to take care of people like her, but our gun grabben government looks the other way. The IRS could imprison her the rest of her life if they ever took a look at her books. But it will never happen.There are plenty of links on the sight to send your money but not one to contact them to let her know how 90% of America thinks of her handgun control con game. Only on judgement day will shara brady get what's coming to her.

I don't really know where this came from. Just a litte rant. You might give us the website so we can view it.

But I agree with you, gun control laws are fairly rediculous. I don't agree with the sale of assault rifles, or m82 sniper rifles. I saw a program (60 minutes or 20/20) where this guy from kosovo bought and shipped more than 5,000 M82's from America to Kosovo in the mid 90's. And he did this all fairly legally. He bought the weapons legally, the only illegal thing he did was transport the weapons through commerical airlines like American Airlines and planes like that. Then a middle man in Switzerland would pick them up, and then take them to Kosovo.

the web sight is http://www.handguncontrol.org and a assult rifle is either full auto or select fire weapon not a simi-automatic you have been listening to to much tv news. hype words like saturday night special and plastic gun are straight from handgun control. if you belive anything on that sight give me the chance to show you it's a lie

Mike Edit: Fixed URL

blah, its not our fault people use guns wrong, they need to stop :)

I just think for handguns they need to make it harder for criminals to get. :|

Since we banned handguns here in the U.K. after the Dunblane massacre, we've had a huge increase in gun crime!

It seems the criminals can get hold of guns but the honest citizen can't get a gun to protect himself!

Fight with all your might against gun control in the U.S. guys after all guns don't shoot people, people do!

Regards:mad:

Aren't they illegal in Austrailia too?

Guns were designed for one purpose, to kill. As a police officer I don't see a lot of M82 in the hands of bad guys.

I live in Massachusetts in the U.S.A. We have probably the strictest gun laws in the country. It has not reduced violent crime one bit. Badguys, do not buy guns in stores. They break into peoples' homes and steal their safes or lock boxes and then use those guns to commit crimes.

I own an "assault rifle", a Colt M4 .223 fullauto. Why is it more dangerous than a pistol, because of distance? Both can kill.

People need to wake up, there are 230,000,000 people and 300,000,000 guns in this country. Protect your right to protect yourself and your loved ones.

nope

1. Gun laws are constitutionally a state issue, to say they are banned in australia, even if they were is wrong since we have 6 seperate laws depending on your state. It would be like saying that gay marriage was legal in the US when only a few states accept it. (going back a while no)

2. If you have a reason you can just about have any weapon, including as i have heard m-16's, reasons inlcude sports, collecting, gun club, family heirloom, employment and so on. Firearms doo need to be registered generally and you do need a license.

:| so much for getting facts from a TV show :p

well my veiw on this is gonna be alot diff from most cuz i have seen what the large cal rifles and weapons do to people since i was in iraq. and i can tell u a 22 pistol kills u just as fast as a m60 or 50cal. i own tons of weapons myself and all are locked up and ammo separated when not in use. i think its a good idea to teach the youth at a young age about guns and how to use them so they don't do this stuff and no right from wrong. and the issue about crime it will never end look how much crime went up in the early days of the states when they took booze away from us just think what would happen if guns where takin away. but thats just my opinon.


oh and mike ur right u can get anykind of gun if u have the right
lisence for it. my father was lookin into getting a silencer for a rifle we have cuz we where gonna work for the state and help control the deer in NJ. but say u wanted auto its not hard at all u just have to find a good reason y u needed it and the goverment willl give u the licenes.

I am as "Pro 2nd Amendment" as they come (here in the U.S.). It always drives me crazy to hear people who actually think that when you take away a law abiding citizen's gun, you somehow prevent crime and senseless killing. When was the last time you saw a "bad guy" turn in his guns when the government put a ban on them? It just doesn't work, and why this is so hard for some to understand boggles my mind.

ok but how do you explain the 330 gun deaths we had in 2001 as opposed to the upwards of 12,000 (i think, off the top of my head, correct me if im worng) they had in the US in the same time period. DOnt say population, taking that into account were still way way lower.

I guess I would "explain" that by saying we have way more "bad guys" than you do...

It certainly isn't because I or my friends or any other law abiding, gun owning folks were out shooting and looting...

Mike, I believe the difference is that this country (U.S.A.) was born as a result of the gun. Not that the mentality that started this counrty has anythin gto do with today's violence but our criminals are better armed as are our citizens. What the ratio of guns per person in the U.K. or Australia? What again is the ratio of murders per gun?

I'm defenetly pro gun laws :)

I think anyone who does not own a gun should get a free Kevlar Vest from gun manufacturers. :naughty:

Haha true that..

I was thinking last night...if I was the President...I'd wear Kevlar every time I wasn't in my room.

I think certain types of gun control should be in place. If you are a felon or convicted criminal, guns should be off limits. This doesn't mean that they won't get them, but it will provide a way to punish them further if they are caught with a gun.

Otherwise, I think it should be mandatory to take a gun safety class, such as the hunter licensing program we have here in Oklahoma. In order to hunt anything, you have to go through a class and take a test. It doesn't have any actual gun handling, but it's a start. Then, once you have that, you should be able to buy any weapon available.

One way or another, people are going to have guns. It's a simple fact, and nothing will change that. Gun crime will only rise if guns are taken away. Like KB said, look at the ban on booze back in 1919. Not only did it not achieve the effect they wanted, it made drinking even more of a problem PLUS made many gangs and mobsters, plus a few backwoods yokels, rich from speakeasies and moonshine.

I don't think everyone is capable of handling a gun, fellon or no fellon. But I think Vest option is more viable. This way gun manufacturers will make sure who has the guns and who don't and not every bozo will get it. :D

They should make guns fingerprint sensative so if you are a criminal...the gun won't work.

No thanks...

If they're incapable, the gun safety test will root them out. Myself, I can pass it with flying colors.:cool:

Speaking of guns, I need to clean mine and take them out shooting. It's bad for their health to just sit there:(

That is a rediculous statement to make. An M4 is much more dangerous than a 9mm.

Maybe you can exchange them for some nice wheels :D

If someone puts either of those through your head, you're just as dead;)

Nah DD, they're not worth anything. I've got a 3 year old riot shotgun, antique bolt 410 shotgun (it's antique, but not worth anything monetarily), 22 ruger pistol, 38 special, 30-30.

The 410 was a prize that my great great grandfather won. He hated the dern thing because its sights are weird. He ended up giving it to my dad, and my dad gave it to me. I load it with magnum 410 shots, and it's one of the best guns ever. Tight pattern, great distance, and great power.

The 22 needs a new clip because it is somehow messed up (I bought it used) and the 30-30 just plain needs a clip.

The 38 special (aka snub-nosed wonder) is the loudest gun on the planet. I don't like it, but it's a great between the matresses or under the seat gun.

So, in all, I might be able to get $250-$300 out of all of them. But to me, they're worth more than that just by simply having them :)

Try selling it on Ebay?? :naughty:

If I was wanting to ambush a motorcade with an important person in it. I think i'd rather have an assault rifle, than any handgun. If I was going to rob a bank, I'd want an assault rifle, not a hand gun.

You'd be surprised what these "bright" range of fellows use to try to rob. :rolleyes:

M4 is way more dangerous than a handgun even if a handgun can kill...it only has 8 shots so that is like a max of 8 people dead.

That sure beats a 30 round clip or a 200 round clip.

this might have nothing to do with what this thread is about but ill say it anyway,,,,, ill tell you some about the people were dealing with namely the BATFE yup they added another letter its now the bureu of alcohol tobbacco firearms and exposives, anyway about the federal building incident the federal building that was in olklahoma was a setup u see the government was going to pull funding for the ATF and the building housed over 100-150 ATF agents witch were over an hour late the day of the bombing witch is just one of the strang things and the explosive that was supposed to have been used was amonium nitrate with a little gassoline with a single stick of dynamyte for the igniter in the back of a big box truck parked outside over 20ft from the building the thing about fertilizer is when it is mixed with gassoline it creates a low explosive and parked over 20ft when detonated will create a shockwave and do a little concreat and glass damage and it was supposed to have at over 60ft away cut thru reinforced concreat with rebar in it that is bs it takes a high explosive to cut thru reinforced concreat with rebar and it has to be placed within 6inches depending on the ammount of HE used the other strange thing is on the sisemographs it showed 2 seperate shockwaves the fertlizer and another explosion what they did is they placed charges on the support colums that had atmospheric detonators on them so when the fertlizer went off it created a change in atmospheric pressure setting off the inner charges and the other strange thing is if the bomb outside was the only 1 it would have blown everything into the building but there was debree blown out from the building over 300ft from the building kindof strange huh? and they shur didnt wast any time when they demolished the building that is the mentality of the people that we are up aganst they wont hesatate to kill entire families to fulfill their agenda and belive me if you have ever bought a gun then be assured that you are on their dangerious persons list or the people of intrest list and expect a knock or no knock raid on your house when they start to take up guns and they have no problem shooting first asking questions later, as they did at the WACO and the Randy Weaver seige, and there is a saying about the future and it goes,,,,there will be a time when the just shale become outlaws and the citizen shale become spies aganst thy neighbor, sound familiar the law abiding citizen trying to protect him or herself will be the perpatrator and the bad guy is now the victum and you have these neighbors that for some reason dont like you will turn you in for the fun of it or for extra cash just to see you gone.

Wow that was really off topic lmao.

lol yup but i figured it was worth saying

ok but how do you explain the 330 gun deaths we had in 2001 as opposed to the upwards of 12,000 (i think, off the top of my head, correct me if im worng) they had in the US in the same time period. DOnt say population, taking that into account were still way way lower.

The reason is we have places like Washington D. C. and Chicago. Citys with total gun bans and their imurder rates are over 1000% above the nation's average. If you took two U. S. maps and colored all the high murder areas yellow. take the other map and colored all the high gun law areas blue. then stack them on top of each other you would see nothing but green. shara brady knows this and that makes her guilty of fraud. If we can jail Martha S. than we should jail her. but ALL governments would love a total gun ban. so shara gets away with her fraud on all the stupid people. Well wish me luck. I'm going to my carport now to kill a wasp nest and I'm going in unarmmed. Only if one gets me will I unleash full-auto from my AK-47 on them and fix the roof later.

the issue about what is more dangerous a m4 or a 9 mm. i still stick by what i said that they are equaly dangerous but then it is also the experiance of the person behind the weapon. i can tell u from experiance than somone that does not know what they are doing is not gonna hit shit with a pistol. and if u have never shot a auto weapon its hard as hell to control the weapon specaily a m16 or m4 not to meantion the military does not even have auto m16 anymore for soldiers its all burst which in my opinion is so much more dangerous than auto cuz its more controled. but then it comes back to experiance behind the weapon. all im saying is that weapons are dangerous period and laws are not gonna make a bullet hurt anyless when it hits u. and taking them away is not the answer ether. Mostly cuz i own to many and don't want to lose them. i can uderstand y some people carry a pistol because of where they live. and in the country people hunt which is a great sport by the way. but this is one of those topics that people will disagree on forever.

http:\\handguncontrolinc.org\ Only the facts plus some good laughts on gun grabbers. When Ifound this sight I spent 4 hours there.

The Federal building was no setup. It was an act of terrorism plain and simple. I was 20 miles away when it exploded and I both heard and felt the explosion. No one would willingly leave it to blow. They simply didn't have enough time.

But back to the subject...I think what it comes down to is whether or not you have a knowledge and respect for guns. By that, I mean you've shot a gun more than once and know how to handle it, not a "guns kill" mentality.

I just hate to think what would happen if certain socialists in this country succeeded in making us a gunless society. The British in colonial days tried to take away the guns of the American colonists just before the Revolution. In some towns they succeeded in this, and these towns fell quickly. What happens when they take all our guns away? Who's going to take us over then? Just something to think about...

a voice of sense in all this is what the country needs someone that knows what they are talking about to explain to the country y we need guns and how taking them away would be bad.

Don't forget the FREE Kevlar Vests for people who don't own guns. :naughty:

Don't need one :p

Okey I agree, USA can't handle a weapon ban.

experiance of the person behind the weapon. i can tell u from experiance than somone that does not know what they are doing is not gonna hit shit with a pistol.

like the phoenix police department. always every cop at the shoot out emptys his glock, and when the smoke clears you have the wrong person lying dead, everything in the house shot full of holes.then they start bragging.a friend of mine was shot 9 times in one of their shooting sprees and lived to sue the hell out of them.once in each sholder, then when he raised he raised his arms to protect his face he was shot in both forarms and his hand. at this point he fell to the ground and went into a fetal position and the rest of the rounds ended up in his legs or butt.yes, the ppd knows how to take care of of someone in the dangerous fetal position. another one of my friends was shot to death by the ppd. they said he had fired on them first. but everyone i talked to who was there say he did'nt have a gun.what this proves is if a bunch of bad shots all start shooting at once and don't stop until their slide stops it's foward motion they are bound to hit something.even if it's the wrong something. here's a fact straight from the mourge a .357 125 grain hollow point has killed on the first shot more than any other round, including long guns.l