Delta Force: Black Hawk Down

[Scott]

Source: Gamespot (http://gamespot.com/gamespot/stories/screenindex/0,10866,2867165,00.html)

Surfing around the internet (something I rarely just do) I stumbled upon something you ALL might find interesting at gamespot! I found the latest Delta Force title called Delta Force: Black Hawk Down and found 4 screen shots to go with it! I wish this one would hurry cause this one really looks cool and I hope I am still around to play it when it comes out! Check the screen shots below and please post your comments and opinions!
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[Scott]

NovaLogic has announced that it's working on a new Delta Force game based on Black Hawk Down for the PlayStation 2, the Xbox, and the PC. The game is set in 1993 during Operation Restore Hope, in which Delta Force and US Army Rangers participated in a number of raids against Somali warlords. The game will use Novalogic's latest graphics engine to provide the greatest level of detail possible.
"In Operation Restore Hope the men of Task Force Ranger fought a fierce battle in what is now recognized as the war on terrorism," said Lee Milligan, president of NovaLogic. "In Delta Force: Black Hawk Down, gamers will step into the shoes of US Special Operations forces tackling some of their most dangerous missions."

In the PC version of the game, you'll be able to control a number of ground and aerial vehicles, including humvees and attack choppers, and even use mounted weapons. Firefights will occur in close quarters, but some will be designed to take place at long range to model Delta Force's signature long-range engagements. The weapons in the game are based on the same weapons used in Operation Restore Hope.

The Xbox version of the game will support online play through the Xbox Live service.

Delta Force: Black Hawk Down is scheduled to ship in Q4 2002 for the PC. The PlayStation 2 and Xbox versions of the game will follow in 2003.

[Steve]

weeeeeeeeeeeeeeee, looks great

[katana*GFR*]

I want that 1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[EL_Bastardo UFP]

yeah it looks more than great... i hope it will be playable on my computer... and i'll buy it... but when comes df:tfd... i hate it... in europe is the release almost later... grrrrrrrrrr... and the second thing... i'll only buy an original us-version... there is no blood in this fu**ing german versions... they cut all bloody scene out of the games...

[Unregistered]

This one looks really nice

[katana*GFR*]

lol el bastardo here in the dutch we have them with blood

[Unregistered]

That game looks awesome! I can't wait for it!!!!

[Unregistered]

at least with this stand alone mission pack for LW people didn't come in here all excited claiming it had grass lol.

[Unregistered]

What do you people hope it has? Now keep in mind that this screen shot probably does not have full features or looks of what DF5 might have. But I do see grass, and it was announced that DF5 will have grass and is being solo made by novalogic. What other features do you want?

[WeeD]

:eek: :eek: WoW :eek: :eek:

[df3tow]

Ha screw df tfd , and hello! delta force black hawk down!

[..::BRAJAN::..]

Sweeeettttt:D

[cR4zY]

Originally posted by df3tow
Ha screw df tfd , and hello! delta force black hawk down!

LMFAO! amen to that!

[Unregistered]

THAT IS NOT GRASS! LOOK AGAIN IT IS AN OBJECT THAT IS LAID ON THE MAP. ALSO, IT IS NOT A 5TH DELTA FORCE GAME! IT IS ANOTHER STAND ALONE MISSION PACK JUST LIKE TFD.

[Scott]

:rolleyes:

[FirestormAUS]

DF:TFD and DF:BHD are NOT "DF4 and DF5" - they are just ripped apart versions of DF:LW, with a few extras. The fact is, anyone buying the games will be paying full price for half the product, no doubt needing to upgrade their system too.

Maybe Novalogic's new slogans should be:
We don't just make games - we make them, then we update them, then we flog them to death, then we rip them apart and add a few bits to convince the public that we've created a whole new game...

Now that Novalogic have released 2 half-games, when are the going to combine them and produce a full game. Until they do, I shall continue to play LW and patiently await DF4 (which TFD and BHD are NOT - they are DF3.5 and DF3.5a)

Just for the record, Mr Lee Milligan (Pres of Novalogic) - Somalia WAS NOT and HAS NEVER BEEN part of the "war on terrorism".

[Steve]

Originally posted by Unregistered
THAT IS NOT GRASS! LOOK AGAIN IT IS AN OBJECT THAT IS LAID ON THE MAP. ALSO, IT IS NOT A 5TH DELTA FORCE GAME! IT IS ANOTHER STAND ALONE MISSION PACK JUST LIKE TFD.

well IF IT'S SET IN THE DESERT IS IT LIKELY TO HAVE GRASS?!!? lmao

no games have proper grass yet from what ive seen, just be patient and upgrade ur comps so u can play it when it comes along

[df3tow]

damn stand alone packs!

[Unregistered]

Stevie, have you ever played DF2? If so, what resolution? Turn it up to 1024*768 asnd have turbo off. then you see real grass.

[zza1pqx]

Where does it say stand alone pack?
The engine is an improved version of Commanche four with new AI written in.
It has knack all to do with DFLW engine.
Explain please?

[zza1pqx]

Originally posted by Unregistered
Stevie, have you ever played DF2? If so, what resolution? Turn it up to 1024*768 asnd have turbo off. then you see real grass.

Woah! Real grass? Wow.
I imagine that would get tangled in your GCard fan wouldn't it?

[Steve]

Originally posted by Unregistered
Stevie, have you ever played DF2? If so, what resolution? Turn it up to 1024*768 asnd have turbo off. then you see real grass.

i'll load it up and see :)

[Shi]

Df1 still rulez all!:fu:

[Scott]

I can only get 800x600 when I play df2??

[Steve]

need some other prog or something i think. i think opti run lets u have the option

[zza1pqx]

Im still waiting on someone qualifying their claim that BFD is a dflw addon like tfd.
Early build, new engine, special programmer for the AI, all says new game to me.
Terms like Novalogic unvail the next generation of DeltaForce game at E3 etc etc etc.

[Scott]

When I first herd df4 or 5 what ever would come it would be a totaly redesigned game

[FirestormAUS]

Task Force Dagger and Black Hawk Down are both examples of Nova sucking up to the public and justifying that war-games are a good sell, at a time when the world is on the brink of yet another war.

At least with DF1, 2 and LW, they remained within the confines of fiction, and allowed us to do the same. Sure, the "weapons" and "equipment" we "use" are real in the sense that real-life versions of them do exist out there and are in use by Special Forces teams around the world, but that was where they drew the line.

The key point of war-games is that, while they appear "realistic", they actually keep us away from the reality. We can hit the space-bar when we "die" and start again. The people out there who do the job for real, do it so that we don't have to, and so that we still have a space-bar to hit.

Have they run out of ideas for their games, or have they taken a step back down the ladder of technological evolution, such that the only way they can make their games more realistic (without improving graphics and sound) is to base their products on real events?

[Scott]

I like how nova logic makes there games personally. I do like sof2 and stuff, thoes graphics kick ass but the game play of df still owns that and any other game I have played or play. I play sofII alot but still can't play for more then an hour without going to get a game of df in even though I have been playing it for a year it is still fun to me. Of course not as fun as it once was but it still rules over any game in my book. Can't wait for the new ones to come out and give it more excitement. I remember when everyone said there was no more df coming after dflw. Well now we have 2 coming and they both look kick ass. nova is doing a good job at making these games for gameplay over graphics.

[zza1pqx]

I think the key is that novalogic have gained the happy medium between wargame simulation and 'arcade' fps.
Its why debates rage high and angry about gltichers 'cheating' by not playing in a realistic manner, to which the glithcers usually point out running through the desert at full pelt diving off mountains with full webbing, five weapons and no fatigue despite maybe getting shot in the leg on the way is NOT realistic so leave them alone....

Simulations by design are usually poor graphically compared to the monsters of FPS like Quake or the newer games such as SOF2.
Anyone using MEDC that has ever used a different games editor can see immediatley what the difference is.
Games like Quake, Unreal, Doom (in the old days) and Duke3d (not quite as old but still), are all made by producing level sized blocks and cutting the rest of the level out from your original block. Kind of like sculpture.
DF is object based. You get you pre cut-out objects and can stick them on a canvas, kinda like painting.
Its why DF runs quicker on poorer connections and why having a great connection makes DF online just brilliant. Its also how you can have good team based games where the different roles mean something tactically so a good team might not win without snipers covering and CQB making a nuiscance of themselves at alpha, as opposed to RTCW where the different roles are predefined by the map designers.

In terms of Nova trying to make money by observing historical accuracy rather than fictional storylines. I think market research has shown this kind of thing sells.
WW2 online is a prime example, where people pay monthly to play. It is far more popular then DF.
Anyone remember comics such as Victor? Based on WW2 stories where the germans spoke with accents and always lost? It sells. Its been going on for years and years. Nova are filling a need.
Black Hawk down is a complete re-write too Panther. They are re-writing the AI. Using a graphical engine not seen in Delta Force before and improved from the last time it was seen.
No one called DeusEx and add on for Unreal. It used its engine.
Black Hawk down is not a commanche add on, it uses its engine. It won't have the compatability that TFD will have with DFLW and isnt a third party development.
It is DF4 I am sure of it. I am as sure as I was when you first sent me TFD screenies and I said it looked like an expansion pack remember?

[FirestormAUS]

If anyone wants a book writing, without having to pay the publishers, just raise it as a topic and get zza1pqx to reply to it... heheheh j/k mate ;) you tell it the way it is and the way it should be told (long winded, like any other pommie - but then i should know, right?!?)

:hammer: <--- that's me, after getting hold of Ghost Recon and Desert Siege (yeah I know this is a DFLW forum) and then finding out I don't have enough RAM :*(

[zza1pqx]

LOL. My collegues at work have to suffer, why not you?
I like to recount the story of how I was discussing a game engines with a guy when I was trying to figure out how to use UnrealEd2 on ICQ.
We talked for maybe twenty minutes about this and that, all highly technical. Then he asked my opinion on some aspect of real time lighting and I couldn't answer because you see I have no clue about anything like that at all. I was just blagging.
Turns out he was studying 3D technology with a slant on games etc as a Masters somewhere in the US. He never spoke to me again but he was very suprised when he discovered I had been making my knowledge up.
The trick you see is in the words. StevieB will tell you about the time we blagged that we had a real time 3D Medc on the cards in DF3 net. Strangley it was only us bantering in that thread and no one was fooled at all.
Oh well. You win some, you lose some.
:D

[Steve]

heyy ZZ, u still didnt give me the info i needed to finish the 3d Mission Editor
lmfao

i saw someone mention dfbhd somewhere in here lol. it uses an advanced version of the commanche 4 game engine i believe for anyone who doesnt know. that is good btw ;)