Delta Force is no more?
 

I am just thinking whether the long running DF series is closed. Waited enough for 7 years since Xtreme 2 of 2009. It would have been so nice to play a new DF game because some leaked screenshots of the new DF were pretty good. I am tired making my computer boil at 100 degrees because nowadays games are just very DEMANDING! Some indies should try to make a Delta Force clone because noone made a DF clone and i think the fanbase of DF games are still good.

No idea City. I doubt we'd see another game like the past ones but you never know. Someone might buy the rights to it..

Hi City Ace,
IMO one reason we've been waiting so long would be the difficulty involved in duplicating the capabilities needed.

Have a good think about what you can do and you'll probably see what I mean.

Imagine the power a next gen engine would consume trying to do all the things the JO/DFX Engine can do in an open world?

SOON...

The last two Delta Force games i.e Delta Force Xtreme & Xtreme 2 were quite dated as compared to other games of that time. Novalogic might be carefully and slowly working on a new engine. Because till today, they would have released a dozen Delta Force games if were to use the fairly dated Black Hawk engine.
There will be a big explosion in the gaming media, if Novalogic make a surprise announcement saying that ' We are working on a AAA game that will be competing Battlefield & Call of Duty this year'!!

Outdated?
GFX?
OK Maybe but we should have a good look at the games of the time.
Let's see if we can name the Open World games that allowed you to weaponize, drive, fly, teleport, play COOP SP Flag Ball TDM AAS etc.

IMO I'd say that immersion and overall capability would be the main consideration in a shooter, not just GFX, don't you agree?

I agree that the vast capabilities of the Black Hawk engine is far more better than recent AAA engines. You have a huge amount of freedom to make something. But the thing is that the GFX itself became very outdated. Without any appealing graphics, the title will obviously become a failure because before buying a game, customers only look gfx at the first and if they it dated, they wont buy it. The reveiws of Xtreme & Xtreme 2 are very negative and all the reveiwers critisized the GFX. So you must create a new engine if you have to compete with other AAA or at least AA shooters because nowadays even budget priced games such as Sniper Ghost Warrior and even most indies use Unity 5 & Unreal 4 which is better in gfx than Black Hawk.

Black Hawk Engine?
Better?
Not better?
:dontknow: - sry

I didnt get what youve said :v

LOL - I was in first mate - I didn't get what you said... :ohnoes:

That's OK but to clarify...

What is the Black Hawk Engine? I've never heard of it myself (but I get what you mean) and all the other stuff is just plain mixed up.

What game are we talking about here anyway, DFX or BHD?

Two completely different engines you see... so it might be a good idea for you to do a little more research and get a bit organized with your facts before posting... :wave: Cheers buddy.

Hey, wa wa wai wait! Dont ya know what is Black Hawk engine??? It is the software that is used to make the DF games.
And Isnt Xtreme 2 made from the same engine that was used in Black Hawk Down? I dont think Xtreme 2 use a different engine. It uses the same engine, just it is slightly tuned i think ;-)

:haha:
Using that method why don't you call it the Task Force Dagger Engine?

I'm sure you know how a game engine is evolved and the different functions and abilities added over time.

Generally these are more than just tweaks but even so that's enough sometimes anyway.

So you can nickname it BHD or DFX2 if you like but the engine used for DFX2 is worlds apart from the version used in BHD.


Here's some brief info on the engine origins.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voxel_Space

Upto Delta Force 3, Novalogic used a different kind of engine. The visuals looked like as if different pieces of square pixels are showing on the screen. But from BHD they used a different engine i.e Black Hawk Engine which is used even in Xtreme 2. Just the one used in Xtreme 2 is graphically more improved but the core engine is the Black Hawk engine means the same engine used in BHD.

Even if Novalogic are finding trobles making a proper engine they should have used Unreal 4 or Unity 5. They are almost priceless, and the gfx looks very competitive in the recent market. It could have been awesome! The missions and gameplay are already good, just one thing needed is a massive improvement in gfx that Unreal can give. The lightning and shading effects will bring a new kind of realism as the lightning and shaders were pretty sub standard in Xtreme 2.

What?

Are you trying to prove that DFX2 is no good?

ROFL - Or is it that you're just clueless and guessing?

Your guessing because I'll tell you now, you're way off base on all points.

What is the point to remember here is that you're talking in a forum that supports NL games, not derides them.

Some good info here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voxel_Space

Hawk 1 is in the ongoing process of converting everything available in the JO MED to Cryengine 2 capable editor and has come up with some very interesting stuff.

He has been working on this for about 3 years now. Including breaking down all the available dialogue scenario's.
He has several videos of his work if you can catch him in Ventrilo.

That's pretty amusing trying to compare different engine types like that but OK...

Try flying around the world in a Unity or Unreal game. :nerd:

You'll appreciate your NL games a bit more once you try.

Hey, Unreal & Unity could provide such gameplay that the Black Hawk engine can. The engine can create large maps, player can get the ability to drive vehicles and helis and all, you got big explosions. So, shifting to Unreal to Unity is not much of a bad choice because it can provide the same sequences that the BHD engine can.

Have another look before you go off half cocked again please City.

To duplicate VS an engine would need to seamlessly wrap the entire world.

Calculating the area for flight and other interactions in that sort of environment is hard, even DFX2 has a ceiling.

They simply don't have the capacity at the moment.

Ask anyone who has Unity or the Unreal Engine (Like me for instance).

Oh... BTW.
Did I mention the ease of programming your games and AI with BHD/DFX2 using the MEd.

I guess I should also mention that this is a proprietary game and nobody here makes anything from it except to have fun.

Very modifiable but also versatile in vanilla flavor as well.

Here's a bit of fun.







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Here's one using a Mod

Wot? Making the helis fly and land is tough in Unreal? :-[ But a guy once said to me it is easy in Unreal through Blueprints.

I know a little about development/programing and a lot about hardware/software but i'm not an Ace at it . I started in 1999 with DF2 and new many people at work that told me to try it out as I never played an online game in my life till then. Since, I have played literally thousands of games of all kinds cuz I needed to know how they reacted on my servers etc... It was always a pain that Novalogic's graphics made it a pain to use 1 server to host Multiple games. I must say, I have had my issues with all their games, but it is the easiest MIND friendly game on the PC end to use. They always had graphics that were over 50% which is/was great in my opinion at the time alot of PC's came with onboard graphics . If the owners had brains they could have made it the top 3 game in the world starting with DF2. Too bad a great game gets crapped on cuz their marketing structure was so closed minded. Their own programmers used to make all the hackz and cheats on their own and make extra cash with AKA sites. I mean seriously! Punk Busters told them to take a hike do to to that! If Nova owners wanted to make their games make many millions instead of a million they should have always been on top of the cheats and updated monthly with simple code changes. They new that, they know this! All know if the game can't be compromised then we just need more ram,bandwidth, and it's a PC race. That's what really killed Novalogic! And it all started in 1998 with DF2 and cheats allowed with no updates to stop them? or if they did the programmers put new cheat codes up on their sites! I know this to be FACT! I know many other games with the same problem. I also know many other games that use PB and Steam and they have their issues also.My son is top 10 in COD which I do not play nor use any platforms but the PC, which they tried with COD together with Xbox etc. and stopped it after 6 months due to PC users had a huge advantage and could cheat . So If Micr$soft can't stop cheats then i guess no-one can. Nova needs to go game console to make money is the issue. Game Consoles put me out of business! I could have started a SITE BACK THEN LIKE POKERSTARS AND BEEN VERY RICH NOW. I live by certain precepts, all biblical, so I decided not to even when I had my dad and bro with millions wanting me to do it. I said I can't. they said no to investing in online gaming cuz they say the console coming. So I put a lot into hosting and I talk to nova almost daily when I hosted DF2 and wanted to do it for a living, which is the sad part about my journey. It all started with Novalogic and ended with it also. Although I still Host games. Nova games were a pain in the butt to host many games but awesome to play and still is.

You're being an asshole dude. He's right. JO is basically identical to the BHD engine when it comes to the important aspects. Just like Win 10/8/7 is just a pretty version of Vista. And most long time DF players consider DF:X/X2 as a hacked version of the modified BHD engine for JO. The DF Xtreme games were a cash grab by the CEO, and an insult to the community.

But looks like Nova's CEO was a complete jerk, and ran everyone off. They were dead in 2009 according to most accounts I can find. Yet people rebuy their games over and over un-knowingly getting scammed by a company that hasn't developed a game in 8 years and betrayed us.

They don't communicate or respond on their FB page or forums. Has anyone mailed them? If you walk up to their office and knocked on the door you would probably would never be seen or heard from again. Five novalogic employes, boarded up in the office in the "zombie apocalypse", or whatever they call it. "Maintain the Joint Ops servers!" they shout. Their faces soiled and worn as they no longer have the funds to maintain toilets or lights.
"That will give us enough money to order a pizza boy and eat him when he knocks!"

P.S. shoutout to Chief-adfp-

Its cool to see another long time DF player. A shame that the company ended the way it did because a lot of people are still under the idea that they are "secretly making something". And yeah I wish I could of gone back in time and invested in things too, I found out about the bitcoin in 2011 when it was $13 for one bitcoin then the price rose to a high of $800 per bitcoin and more recently it is down to $300. Darn!

This is fine in theory and looks good on paper but for instance, in DFX2 the player can get in a helo and jump on a minigun, sit in a seat or fire out from a skid, crawl to door edges or stand and fire from the gun ports, then without any trouble just leap out and parachute down while the helo can fly along with AI or Human pilot.

Hi there, as I said to City earlier in the piece - with the method of reasoning you've used there you can then say that JO also looks like a hacked version of the modified Task Force Dagger Engine for BHD.

To which you would disagree strongly I assume, the same way I just have to disagree with your statement.

JO is far more advanced than BHD, enough to be touted as a next gen edition of the games.

The differences between JO and DFX or DFX2 are minor but there's definitely room for argument when you compare them with BHD.

DF game engines have shared common roots all the way and even share assets but that's not unusual at all and they've kept most players happy for years and years and are far from dead.

As far as i know, i would say Delta Force' games were graphically good till Xtreme of 2005. But it is very poor for Xtreme 2, because the gfx modifications are minor in Xtreme 2 and its gfx is nowhere comparable to other games released in 2009. The critics too criticized Xtreme 2, and said that Xtreme 2 is the biggest disappointment in the series. Moreover, i think the dead developers are eating air in their coffins because not a single game of theirs is receiving any summer sales and all. If a decade old games doesnt receive discounts and all, who will buy it if there are already thousands of AAA games lying on Steam. Xtreme 2's price has just been stucked on 20 bucks, which is fairly overpriced. They should lower the prices or at least give discounts.

You've really got tickets on yourself haven't you City.

It's not about graphics or any of the other stuff including the price, which you just can't seem to stop parroting on about.

You can just buy it and play it or not, it's that simple man so please don't come here and put across a woeful and ill informed lament about the games that I love thanks.

Save it for Novaworld2, that's the place you do that stuff, this is a fan site for you to enjoy yourself, if you don't it doesn't give you the right to try and make me feel bad as well.

Wot? Believe it or not, its the truth. Why would i simply go around throwing my negative thoughts -______________- I am too neither a hater of DF games.

Your themed posts are all over the forum